Yep, no utopia there. And when there ain't utopia, the entire contingent from the state of Texas (Spurs, Mavs, Rockets & attendant rank & file) refuse to budge.
I find your lack of logic hilarious. You call me a troll for saying Kobe would be #1 and Magic #2, yet you casually put James who couldn't even beat an injured Orlando team with HCA over both???
Lebron has only beat ONE 50 win team in the playoffs his entire career. The guy struggles against elite teams, and doesn't compare yet to guys like Kobe/Magic who have 9 rings combined, and endless playoffs wins against quality 50 win opponents.
Comparing Kobe & Lebron through their first 6 years is irrevelant because the realgm thread was about the NBA NOW. Lebron still hasn't proven that he can lead the Cavs to playoff victories against quality teams(50+ wins). Beating up on a sub .500 Pistons team, or mediocre Hawks team gets no props. I'm still baffled how the Cavs lost to a Jameer-less Magic team with HCA and the refs on their side.
Luva solved the mystery as follows: James wanted to play all 5 positions= PG, SG, SF, PF, C.
Fans think different,
Updated: Nov 20, 2009, 9:30 AM
Vote: NBA highlights of the decade
Thank you for voting. See below for the results from across SportsNation.
Thank you for voting. See below for the results from across SportsNation.
Total Votes: 3,826
- 1) Which is the franchise of the decade?
- Lakers 75.4%
- Spurs 24.6%
- 2) Which is the team of the decade?
- '99-'00 Lakers (67-15, Won Finals) 48.2%
- '00-'01 Lakers (56-26, Won Finals) 19.9%
- '07-'08 Celtics (66-16, Won Finals) 13.9%
- '08-'09 Lakers (65-17, Won Finals) 11.1%
- '04-'05 Spurs (59-23, Won Finals) 6.9%
- 3) Who is the player of the decade?
- Kobe Bryant 70.9%
- Tim Duncan 14.3%
- Shaquille O'Neal 6.8%
- LeBron James 5.9%
- Kevin Garnett 2.2%
- 4) Which is the shot of the decade?
- Robert Horry's 3-pointer from the top of the key vs. Kings, '02 49.9%
- Derek Fisher's in-bounds turnaround jumper with 0.4 remaining vs. Spurs, '04 37.6%
- LeBron James 3-pointer vs. Magic, '09 8.7%
- Devin Harris' halfcourt shot vs. Nets, '09 3.8%
Luva reportin' for duty!
YES!
i totally agree. this is like someone cheesing a superstar on NBA 2K10 for a quadruple double!
oh, and 1v5 doesn't work. ask lebroom. well, he did assist our team in 07. . .
Dunno, maybe lack of supporting cast?
I mean, its easy to win when Wade and LeBron are the leaders of a team, like last year. Take Kobe off that team and they do just as well, if not better.
Peyton Manning.
lol fans
couldn't be cause the Lakers have the biggest fanbase in the nation? nah.
oh and wow, 3826 votes. 3826 fan votes. lmao
You guys are so insecure. Why would you take a political machination with an iota of concern?
Agreed, like back in 2006 during the WCs, Lebron and Wade led team USA to..............oh wait, nevermind. On 2nd thought you are 100% wrong.
Yes, because all other fan bases combined only equal 20% of Laker fans. That MUST be the explanation. It couldn't possibly be because you are a biased homer.
3800 votes. I'd even give it to Shaq before Kobe, since, you know, he has 3 Finals MVPs(like Duncan).Yes, because all other fan bases combined only equal 20% of Laker fans. That MUST be the explanation. It couldn't possibly be because you are a biased homer.
I'm sure you would. And apparently the vast majority of people disagree with you.
yes, because less than 4000 votes cons utes the vast majority of NBA fandom.
70% does. Apparently you don't understand the concept of a poll.
And when was the last time Tim Duncan or the San Antonio Spurs have won a popularity contest? Get out of here with that , fans vote for their favorite teams/players and the the Lakers have more fans than the Spurs do. Thats the only thing your post proves.
Must be beacause Kobe >>> Duncan.
Fail. Detroit Pistons in 2007.
When Mo Williams, the 2nd best player chokes to epic proportions, no one steps up and LeBron does all the things but still gets beaten, you would have thought the team needed more help. The team overachieved in 2009.
If I told you before the 2008-2009 season started that the Cavs will have the best record in the NBA with 66 wins, you would have thought I was a lunatic.
The better team wins the playoff series most of the time. To say LeBron had a better team than the teams he lost to is hilarious.I find your lack of logic hilarious. You call me a troll for saying Kobe would be #1 and Magic #2, yet you casually put James who couldn't even beat an injured Orlando team with HCA over both???
Lebron has only beat ONE 50 win team in the playoffs his entire career. The guy struggles against elite teams, and doesn't compare yet to guys like Kobe/Magic who have 9 rings combined, and endless playoffs wins against quality 50 win opponents.
Total Votes: 4,175
- 1) Which is the franchise of the decade?
- Lakers 75.0%
- Spurs 25.0%
- 2) Which is the team of the decade?
- '99-'00 Lakers (67-15, Won Finals) 48.4%
- '00-'01 Lakers (56-26, Won Finals) 19.2%
- '07-'08 Celtics (66-16, Won Finals) 14.6%
- '08-'09 Lakers (65-17, Won Finals) 11.0%
- '04-'05 Spurs (59-23, Won Finals) 6.8%
- 3) Who is the player of the decade?
- Kobe Bryant 70.3%
- Tim Duncan 14.5%
- Shaquille O'Neal 6.7%
- LeBron James 6.2%
- Kevin Garnett 2.3%
- 4) Which is the shot of the decade?
- Robert Horry's 3-pointer from the top of the key vs. Kings, '02 49.2%
- Derek Fisher's in-bounds turnaround jumper with 0.4 remaining vs. Spurs, '04 37.8%
- LeBron James 3-pointer vs. Magic, '09 9.0%
- Devin Harris' halfcourt shot vs. Nets, '09 4.0%
Spurs fans kill with this "voting is a popularity vote" when it does nothing to support their arguments.
Let's do this, lets remove all awards that each player received that was voted by fans (writers, columnists etc.. are nothing but fans and I think we both agree that they don't always get it right). No MVp's, DPOY, 1st team all NBA etc. since those are as you say, just popularity votes. I agree in some cases voting can be bias. Kobe Bryant was blackballed after he was falsely accused of raping some Tramp and if not for his bad pub he would have easily been voted the MVP during those seasons after the incident.
Tim Duncan benefited from Sterns globalization of the NBA and the spurs were the poster team for that globalization. Tim Duncan was the popular choice when he won it.
Now you say Duncan is the player of the Decade. Lets see some hard stats that support your claim. NBA Championships and appearances are a team accomplishment. No one player can win a championship. So let's give them a half of a point for les and appearances.
I say that Kobe bryant is the best player of the decade and here's his resume without any voting awards.
The number 1 award,
Kobe Bryant led the NBA in scoring this decade. averaging 28.7
- 4-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009
- 6 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009
That's a few accomplishments by Kobe. What are Duncans accomplishments?
- 2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007
- Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall
- Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 other players
- Season: Points 2,832 (2005–06)
- Game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)
- Half: 55 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)
- Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz
- Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005–06)
- Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16–23, 2007)
- Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6–23, 2003)
- Game: 23 freethrows (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks)
- Game, playoffs: 21 freethrows (on May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz
Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympics
Stats wise Duncan was not even the best PF in the Decade. That honor would go to Kevin Garnett. Howard led the Decade in Rebounding.
While we're at it, what are his hard stats that support Duncan being the Best PF (although he really should be listed as a PF/C, but for the sake of discussion, we'll just use PF's) of all time? How many 30-30 games did Duncan have in his career? Two PF's that I consider better than Duncan, Malone and Hayes accomplished this feat twice in their career.
12-05-70 E.Hayes,SD vs LA 30-38
11-17-73 E.Hayes,Cap. vs Atl. 32-43
2-09-79 M.Malone,Hous. vs NO 37-33
2-11-82 M.Malone,Hous. vs Sea. 32-38
Hakeem, another player that was better than Duncan set records in Blocked shots. What records did Duncan set? What stat stands out as a great accomplishment from a so called GOAT?
Give me some hard stats.
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