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You really can't read can you? Where does anyone there say anything about a physical alltercation?
, Mike's already told you otherwise.
Ask away if you want. Find where I've do so much as lay a finger on anyone.
yes, you are dumb, bc like RESURRECTED said.. he had ALREADY committed this sort of crime before and was still doing it.. had he been killed the first time an innocent little girl would never have been buried alive...
You really can't read can you? Where does anyone there say anything about a physical alltercation?
, Mike's already told you otherwise.
Ask away if you want. Find where I've do so much as lay a finger on anyone.
There's a million-dollar question! I think of it this way: Somebody who can rape and kill a child, under any cir stances, has no conscience. Regardless of the factors of their life; poverty, prior abuse in their life, etc. Now, there are people who go through the exact same thing but who have a conscience, so they don't do bad things to other people. You're back to the whole issue of free will. You have a choice to rape and kill a child, or to not rape and kill a child. People who can do something like that without a qualm qualify as deserving of death in my book, because even if they repent afterward, they will be capable of doing it again.
I don't believe I in any way tied what I was saying with the death penalty. My opposition to it is stedfast and in no way has anything to do with me asking the questions on the actions.
And yet you can't see how I connect the word evil and it's usage to a supernatrual meaning?
Well, by what your saying there, a conscience is not something that can be effected by your environment and exsists regardless of how you develop.
Where exactly does it come from?
And once again, you made a connection I did not.
manny will never change his mind in this message board no matter what.. even if his gf or mother were killed, in here he would say, "no, don't kill him...let's find out why, but we must spare his life.the death penalty is wrong."
What did I say on the first page of this thread, Clan?
I wish I could meet the teacher who taught you to read. I hope he/she is no longer teaching.
You're lucky this is a message board, Clandestino. Or else combine my lack of patience, violent history, and your adament stupidity I would probably be kicking your ass right about now.
Your conscience (or lack thereof) is actually controlled by your brain. The Id, Ego and Superego. Have to go back to junior high biology for all that.
And I can see where you'd make the connection between evil and the supernatural. But it's evidence is too tangible in the world today to dismiss it as Christian supers ion. It's real, you see it everywhere. There's nothing supernatural about it.
I can see why you're opposed to it now. With that kind of admission and at ude, you may end up on death row some day.
What did I say on the first page of this thread, Clan?
I wish I could meet the teacher who taught you to read. I hope he/she is no longer teaching.
that is what you said fatboy...
The Id
The Id (Latin, "it" in English, "Es" in the original German) represented primary process thinking – our most primitive need gratification type thoughts. The Id, Freud stated, cons utes part of one's unconscious mind. It is organized around primitive instinctual urges of sexuality, aggression and the desire for instant gratification or release . Freud borrowed the term Id from the "Book of the Id" by Georg Groddeck, a pathfinder of psychosomatic.
[edit]The Superego
The Superego ("ܢer-Ich" in the original German, roughly "super-I" in English) represented our conscience and counteracted the Id with a primitive and unconscious sense of morality. This primitive morality is to be distinguished from an ethical sense, which is an egoic property, since ethics requires an eligibility for deliberation on matters of fairness or justice. The Superego, Freud stated, is the moral agent that links both our conscious and unconscious minds. The Superego stands in opposition to the desires of the Id. The Superego is part of the unconscious mind, and based upon the internationalization of the world view, norms and mores a child absorbs from parents surrounding environment at a young age. As the conscience, it is a primitive or child-based knowledge of right and wrong, maintaining taboos specific to a child's internalization of parental culture.
Freud considered the Oedipus Complex to be a formative stage in the development of the superego.
[edit]The Ego
In Freud's view the Ego stands in between the Id and the Superego to balance our primitive needs and our moral beliefs and taboos. ("Ego" means "I" in Latin; the original German word Freud coined was "Ich".) He stated that the Ego consists of our conscious sense of self and world, a highly structured set of unconscious defenses that are central in defining both individual differences in character or personality, the symptoms and inhibitions that define the neuroses, and ultimately serving as the executive branch of the mind which leads to action. Relying on experience, a healthy Ego provides the ability to adapt to reality and interact with the outside world in a way that accommodates both Id and Superego. Freud believed the energy used to run the ego (such as to dissolve reality, moral and neurotic anxiety) was derived from the Id in the form of cathexis and from the Superego in the form of anticathexis.
What? Horrible actions? Yes, those are everywhere, and I would never be able to deny that.
But the use of the word evil, especialy in propoganda and speeches, is ridiculous.
What do you think carries more weight when Bush speaks:
Those terrorists are moraly reprehensible.
Or
Those terrorists are evil.
It carries a different weight and a different meaning because it implies that those people aren't byproducts of actions, but inherently evil. I'm not sure ANYONE is inherently evil but I'm sure that "evil" people can be created.
Anyhow, my point was that your conscious, or lack thereof, is effected by many things. So, if having a consience is what seperates killers from non killers, then it can be said that many things can make someone much more likely to become a killer. That there are actual causes to what makes these men into monsters. And if there are causes, we can find them and not only prevent them, but maybe also overcome them.
NO !
AND IT TOOK YOU 3 ING PAGES TO FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That doesn't require keeping the killer alive.
We don't trap bears and study them when the wander into campgrounds and kill. We shoot them and study other bears to see how we can keep them out of campgrounds and from killing people.
Murderers aren't wont to cooperate with such studies and, in many cases, actively work to thwart or taint or sabotage such studies. In my mind, the person that's already murdered is worthless when trying to decide why they did so.
I'm not making an antideath penalty arguement here.
Actualy, for as many times as I've been in the middle of death penalty arguemnts here, people still don't understand that my opposition to it stems mainly from the likely errors that result in people being killed that shouldn't be killed.
I'm even on the record of saying that I wouldn't oppose a system that was 100% effective.
So, I trust you can figure out what leads my feelings of opposition to capital punishment.
that would be nice...
You can keep posting Clan. I'm not really going to kick your ass.
I notice that when I make Clan feel stupid, he falls back on his poor Photoshop skills.
That's Freud, not biology, and Freud was a nymphomaniacal idiot that only gets more contestation to his theories as time goes on.
manny, why should i feel stupid? i'm not the dumbass arguing for the life of some rapist, pedophile, murderer to be spared...
i'm also not the dumbass who is trying to argue the word evil like bill clinton..
No reason. You're a genius. A true predigree of intelligence.
You did give me some good laughs in this thread. Which is good, because I think I was on the verge of one of my violent attacks again. No telling who's ass I would have kicked today.
it is funny how you are trying to laugh off that you really are always getting into confrontations... that is called denial.. are your ears that big they get in the way of seeing what everyone else sees? i posted comments from 5 different people who say you are always getting into altercations... maybe you're just acting tough and don't really want to get into a fight... but then why bow up all the time?No reason. You're a genius. A true predigree of intelligence.
You did give me some good laughs in this thread. Which is good, because I think I was on the verge of one of my violent attacks again. No telling who's ass I would have kicked today.
I believe in evil, but I believe it is irrelevant to secular law.
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