I think this is the right move and as many of the repubs here have said that it really doesn't matter why we went to war anymore we are there now and cannot just leave. As for this whole win thing that is ridiculous there is no such thing as winning when you are fighting a belief and not a country. The thing closest to winning would be to show the rest of the world how important this is (UN) and that it is a global concern and not an American one. I think Bush's worst mistake was to trivialize the UN and act like if they were unimportant. If he had a better backing from the UN in the beginning it would have made his moves much more credible and well received. Knowing how much he would need the backing of them in the future has always puzzled me as to why he chose to basically go around them.
I think your reading too much into the planned combat troop withdrawal....there may indeed be a major draw-down, but I don't see us completely out of Afghanistan for decades...I'm trying to figure out how one of the three pillars of this new plan (increased civilian involvement in areas such as agricultural development) is NOT geared toward nation-building. Yes, Obama gave a timetable for troop withdrawal, but what of the "increased civilian involvement"...does that have a timetable as well?
Did Obama lie?
Holy . I agree 100% with what you said. Well except for the part that we suck at nation building. Our success at doing it is pretty much linked to what we had to start with. I think we generally have a track record of improving conditions although that doesn't equal success.
As for what you said earlier about this ultimately being about oil and gas, well there's no doubt Afghanistan lying right between China and the mid-east could be a huge factor in oil trade...that is something that can be turned into an economic positive for Afghanistan. They have jack to build an economy with there in terms of natural resource, but they key role they could play in oil trade being smack dab in the middle between countries with vast oil and gas reserves and those with the vast demand can certainly be turned into an economic resource on some level. It's something...
Besides Dan...we can hold our government accountable, you guys did a great job of holding Bush accountable in Iraq(actually you went overboard) so why stop doing it now?
That was always my problem with you guys position on Iraq...don't trust Bush to do what he said he was going to do? Then put up a candidate that will do what Bush said he was going to do, that was the best option after we went in and blew the out of the country. Instead you guys offered only compound stupidity to Bush, which is why you lost in 2004. You don't undo a hit and run by throwing the car in reverse and driving off.
Meh. Nothing too surprising here. Just a natural evolution of events.
Only thing that sounds au ious is the 18 month timeline.
Bush lost any legitimacy and all credibility when they failed to find viable WMDs in Iraq...he had already ignored countless instances of intelligence both foreign and domestic that Saddam had destroyed his WMDs after the Iraq/Iran war...That was always my problem with you guys position on Iraq...don't trust Bush to do what he said he was going to do? Then put up a candidate that will do what Bush said he was going to do, that was the best option after we went in and blew the out of the country. Instead you guys offered only compound stupidity to Bush, which is why you lost in 2004. You don't undo a hit and run by throwing the car in reverse and driving off.
...I'm for getting all our troops out of Afghanistan, but I do not want to see the Taliban back in control in Afghanistan...
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