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    We couldn't get Carter without giving up more than they wanted to at the time.

    As for S-Jax, I was for that idea the whole time.... and I wish they would have.
    the only player more they would have to give up was mason. I would of taken that in a second.

    S-jax was never going to happen.

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    I understand what you mean completely. But I thought it was pretty obvious that unless we made some changes in our offense, he wouldn't fit in. I mean, I fully expected plays to be run for an atheltic ~20 PPG scorer that averages almost 50% FG career wise. I was actually expecting some of the plays we used to run for Manu would be run for RJ. But there has been none of that. It's actually been terrible to watch. I think it's pretty much the same thing with Dice.

    Well than that is not Rj's fault. The Fo and Pop should know what type of player RJ is, and they should have known he doesn't fit into the spot up shooter role....

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    The formula really is basic the better passer Tony becomes = The more productive Rj Will be
    You don't understand at all the game.
    What do you expect from Tony?
    I know that sometimes he has tunnel vision but it's not on Tony.
    Really, not.

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    the only player more they would have to give up was mason. I would of taken that in a second.

    S-jax was never going to happen.

    First off they wanted Hill and Mason + Bowen and Fabb, and as I recall a lot of ST were going to bricks if that happened.

    Not just for Trading Hill but also Mason.....

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    He wasn't brought in to be a creator. He is a SLASHER from the wing and that is what the Spurs wanted, so if they are going to stick to "Spurs basketball" then why the did they go after RJ?
    Agree.
    Then the fault is on the guy with scary eyes and CO.
    Poor Peter Holt.

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    Maybe Pop shouldn't have "shortened" the playbook.

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    I was one of the few here that actually wanted Vince as a player(the usual misconceptions about him hurting views by others), but we would have had to give up Hill AND Mason for him..acquiring Jefferson made more sense in that regard..

    Jefferson isn't an average player, that's just a stupid comment by a troll..

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    I was one of the few here that actually wanted Vince as a player(the usual misconceptions about him hurting views by others), but we would have had to give up Hill AND Mason for him..acquiring Jefferson made more sense in that regard..

    Jefferson isn't an average player, that's just a stupid comment by a troll..
    NO, just mason

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    You don't understand at all the game.
    What do you expect from Tony?
    I know that sometimes he has tunnel vision but it's not on Tony.
    Really, not.
    Well It's more on Pop because of the plays then Tony. But I put it on Tony because the Pg is supposed to be the court General and when you can't find your newly acquired' scorer who cuts 85% of the game its on you to become a better passer as I'd say to any pg.

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    Are you re ed? They wanted Hill as well

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    Then you suck Roger.
    Stop basketball.

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    Well than that is not Rj's fault. The Fo and Pop should know what type of player RJ is, and they should have known he doesn't fit into the spot up shooter role....
    Exactly. Then again, one could make the argument that Pop doesn't want to burden RJ with the offensive playbook now, and wants to make sure he can play the D consistently. We have heard how complex the Spurs system is, so this is plausible.
    Obviously, every loss makes everybody more anxious. But we'll have to wait and see. Pop might also be gauging what kind of Manu is he getting for the rest of the season. Nobody knows what's going on Pop's mind, but one thing is for sure, you simply cannot blame RJ squarely for this.

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    Fake. His success in NJ was facilitated by Jason Kidd, and his success on the Bucks... it was the Bucks!

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    First off they wanted Hill and Mason + Bowen and Fabb, and as I recall a lot of ST were going to bricks if that happened.

    Not just for Trading Hill but also Mason.....
    I'd still do it. A guy like Hill is a lot easier to replace than someone like Carter.

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    I'd still do it. A guy like Hill is a lot easier to replace than someone like Carter.
    I wouldn't have minded it at all, but our backup 1 spot is already bad as it is..

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    Fake. His success in NJ was facilitated by Jason Kidd, and his success on the Bucks... it was the Bucks!
    Funny how good passers work .

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    I'd still do it. A guy like Hill is a lot easier to replace than someone like Carter.

    Are you serious? Carter is a good player, but he is also 33. The Spurs basically would have gave up their entire bench for him.

    Without Hill you need to adress the PG situation unless you want JV as your primary backup. Trade away Mason and you are left with a 4 man rotation in the back court.

    TP/?????
    Manu/VC/Finley.

    Maybe Hairston would get more burn but tat back court is garbage especially when both TP and Manu have had injuries.

    RJ hasn't worked out so far, but if we would have got VC we would have been in worse shape.

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    Funny how good passers work .

    You really are a TP hater huh?

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    the spurs would of been better off holding out on signing a player like jefferson and waited til the summer of 2010.
    RJ just can't play on the big stage. He was terrible in the 2003 finals. Yeah, he had a solid season for the bucks. No pressure their.

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    You really are a TP hater huh?
    NO i actually enjoy watching him play but that dosen't mean I wont point out that he needs to improve his passing

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    the spurs would of been better off holding out on signing a player like jefferson and waited til the summer of 2010.
    RJ just can't play on the big stage. He was terrible in the 2003 finals. Yeah, he had a solid season for the bucks. No pressure their.

    Yeah..... I'm not saying that the Spurs can't compete for a le in 2010 or 2011, but the main focus was to try and win this year. Each year Timmy gets older and like Pop said RJ is probably as good of a player as the Spurs could have hoped for in 2010. Seriously who could the Spurs go after? Wade, Bosh, LBJ, Dirk etc are not coming here.

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    Are you serious? Carter is a good player, but he is also 33. The Spurs basically would have gave up their entire bench for him.

    Without Hill you need to adress the PG situation unless you want JV as your primary backup. Trade away Mason and you are left with a 4 man rotation in the back court.

    TP/?????
    Manu/VC/Finley.

    Maybe Hairston would get more burn but tat back court is garbage especially when both TP and Manu have had injuries.

    RJ hasn't worked out so far, but if we would have got VC we would have been in worse shape.
    I'd take vince over RJ in a second. You lose hill, you go out and make a trade for back up point guard. Mason's salary is off the books. You can trade bonner and finley and Kurt thomas. You don't need a star to backup TP.

    Vince Carter at 35 will be better than RJ at 29.

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    Richard Jefferson is an average player based on the WP48 statistical analysis method of Dave Berri. He's definitely not worth $14 million but we're not paying him that much. However, he's a big upgrade from Finley.

    I don't know why people keep bringing up Stephen Jackson. His 3PT shooting was .338 last year and this year it's in the .200s. He takes way too many shots considering how many he misses. He can't rebound and he gets a lot of steals but gambles on defense so it's not worth it. It's not 2003 anymore. The guy is 30 years old with 4 years and $35 million remaining on his contract. That's the kind of deal that dumb GMs make, not RC. At least if the RJ experiment fails, next year he's a $16 million expiring contract.

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    Jefferson is a good player but the system we have him playing in does not bring out his strengths. We need him playing with our speed group Manu and Hill were we are running the floor. He is a good player for us but he would be excellent player for a team team like the Suns and Mavs who like to run and gun....

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    the spurs would of been better off holding out on signing a player like jefferson and waited til the summer of 2010.
    RJ just can't play on the big stage. He was terrible in the 2003 finals. Yeah, he had a solid season for the bucks. No pressure their.
    A December Spurs game is the big stage?

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