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    They will never work. If you want to know the amount of time he predicted for his policies to work and the time frame they were designed to impact, please refer to the links in this post (or just read the graph and the quotes):
    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...4&postcount=32

    Obama said that if nothing was done the unemployment rate could reach 2 digits. Could.

    So, this brilliant genius who believes that he's so smart and prescient that he can take other people's money and then use it in such a shrewd way in order to "fix the economy", "re-build America" and other fantasies, decided to do something... and the unemployment rate quickly climbs to a 2 digit number. I'm not surprised and no sane person should be. If Obama was so skilled in the art of investing as he believes he is, he would be a mega-hyper-billionaire.
    Too bad the majority of economists don't agree with your excellent assessment.

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    Why do people keep talking about oil in hidden places?

    If we drill and find more oil, and when THAT runs out in another 30 years or so, then what? The problem is here again.

    So basically, you guys who say "Drill for oil!" are just dumping the problem onto our children and grandchildren. OIL WILL RUN OUT AGAIN.

    How about we ing solve this energy problem once and for all, and create a Manhattan Style project with hundreds of scientists, GOVERNMENT FUNDED, and create a whole new industry with a new energy source.

    It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, a completely new private business sector opportunities for large and small businesses, end our need for oil, end our interest in the middle east, and MOST IMPORTANTLY!!, solve humanity's energy problems

    and create positive viewpoint on American technology, just like the space race.

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    Why do people keep talking about oil in hidden places?

    If we drill and find more oil, and when THAT runs out in another 30 years or so, then what? The problem is here again.

    So basically, you guys who say "Drill for oil!" are just dumping the problem onto our children and grandchildren. OIL WILL RUN OUT AGAIN.

    How about we ing solve this energy problem once and for all, and create a Manhattan Style project with hundreds of scientists, GOVERNMENT FUNDED, and create a whole new industry with a new energy source.

    It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, a completely new private business sector opportunities for large and small businesses, end our need for oil, end our interest in the middle east, and MOST IMPORTANTLY!!, solve humanity's energy problems

    and create positive viewpoint on American technology, just like the space race.
    We've been there and done that. It was called -- of all things -- the Manhatten Project!

    Nuclear Energy would do all the things you suggest.

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    Ha...you sure about that?

    May get better for you and where you live, but the entire MidWest is ed.

    Now, I am sure that doesnt bother you and your ilk, but newsflash, the MidWest is a much larger population than the South/SouthWest.
    What are your parameters for the Midwest? I'm not so sure that's an accurate statement.

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    what? I've never heard of a second "Manhatten project" focused on solving the world's energy problem

    I can't seem to find it on google.... so where is your info from?

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    what? I've never heard of a second "Manhatten project" focused on solving the world's energy problem

    I can't seem to find it on google.... so where is your info from?
    Did the original Manhatten Project not harness nuclear energy? Is the technology developed and exploited by the original Manhatten Project a viable energy source today?

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    Ha...you sure about that?

    May get better for you and where you live, but the entire MidWest is ed.

    Now, I am sure that doesnt bother you and your ilk, but newsflash, the MidWest is a much larger population than the South/SouthWest.
    The Midwest? Are you ing kidding me? The Midwest has been ed since the SEVENTIES!!!! It's NEVER coming back.

    Reminds me of a Kinnison bit about being bugged about starving Ethiopians. His response was "You live in a ing desert!!!!! Move to where the food is!!!"

    Move to where the jobs are.

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    What are your parameters for the Midwest? I'm not so sure that's an accurate statement.
    Unemployment Rate

    Ohio: 10%
    Michigan: 14.3%
    Indiana: 9.4%
    Wisconsin: 7.6%
    Minnesota: 6.9%

    It would seem you are right. Its basically Michigan, Indiana and Ohio dying a slow death.

    Yay, for us.

    The Midwest? Are you ing kidding me? The Midwest has been ed since the SEVENTIES!!!! It's NEVER coming back.

    Reminds me of a Kinnison bit about being bugged about starving Ethiopians. His response was "You live in a ing desert!!!!! Move to where the food is!!!"

    Move to where the jobs are.
    Therein lies the problem. Brain drain. Everyone with talent moves away to the coasts. Then laments how where they are sucks for various reasons by comparsion.

    Also, I am not talking the Census Bureau MidWest here...to me, Kansas and Nebraska are not the MidWest.

    I am talking about Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Minnesota. If you havent been there for any length of time, kindly keep your stereotypes about our job situation to yourself. You'd be hard pressed to find a better place to raise a family and have an affordable living with better schools than the city trash you'll find in every major metropolis (Detroit leading the way in the "trash" department btw).

    The MidWest died because this country saw fit to export its ability to manufacture. The geniuses of enterprise see making their steel and widgets in India as a better prospect only because our government doesnt tarrif the living out of corporate America like every other nation in the ing world does to us (Canada and Mexico excluded, thanks NAFTA!).

    Why? Because corporate America owns our government. They own our media and when questioned on the subject, your average American will respond with the cliche about free enterprise and open markets, although none of these things exist for American companies anywhere else in the world. They'll say some ignorant about protectionism and how it caused the Great Depression (which is complete bull ).

    As Paul Craig Roberts notes: "[Foreign discrimination of US products] is reinforced by the US tax system, which imposes no appreciable tax burden on foreign goods and services sold in the US but imposes a heavy tax burden on US producers of goods and services regardless of whether they are sold within the US or exported to other countries."[
    US domestic manufacturers, in part, cannot complete with globalization because globalization only adversely affects domestic manufacturers. Having products made in India/China/wherever creates no tax burden for the corporation that does so (except for profits, of course). Whereas, if youre domestic, youre paying taxes on everything. Property, city, FUTA, state, local, county, federal, social security, medicare, etc. Every time you pay an American employee, the employee and the employer are taxed by all government (local, state and federal).

    Not so for companies that outsource. Its a tax-less system for mega-corporations to have windfall profits, monopolizing any industry they so choose due to less-than-fair government who they have firmly in their pocket.

    Nowhere else in the world buys as much as Americans, because no one else in the world has as much disposable income as Americans (at least, no one used to, idk anymore). We Americans let our corporate task masters dictate everything in the name of their profit...like their profit somehow positively affects you and me, when it doesnt....at all.

    How exactly is making microchips in Korea beneficial to Americans? It isnt. Are they cheaper? No, theyre not. How about clothes made in sweatshops in India, China and Malaysia? Are your clothes cheaper for it? No, because the retailer just marks them up to what the market expects. That shirt from (i dont know fashion at all, soooo...) Abercrombie & Fitch cost them about, ohhhhh, $0.50 to make, probably another $1.00 per shirt to ship (im being very generous with that, I ship overseas alllll the time), another $1.00 to get it out of the crate and ship it across country to your local mall (per shirt). The retailer is going to make a HUGE markup and of course, you'd expect them to make profit, so they up it by....ohhhhh, 500%? That shirt should cost you, the consumer, $12.50. How much are you paying per shirt these days for a sweatshop full of broken children to make your goods? $60? Who pockets that and where is this good for our economy?

    I make no assumptions about Texas beyond funny jabs like accent, stereotypes and an all encompassing obsession with everything Spanish.

    Texas is an outlier to the rest of the country. I am sure some native Texans could explain to me why that is, because I certainly do not know.

    So yes, the MidWest may be dead but thats because corporate government decided the needs of the few (rich) far outweigh the needs of the many (the non-rich). So you can do your stupid fuicking happy-dance on our grave, all while laughing and thinking that an area of your country dying is just sooooo ing hilarious. Thats very elitist, thats very uninformed and very typical of your media-driven brain spewing things you think you know for fact only because those who have reason to influence national perception have far more money these days to do so seeing as globalization is now fact and irreversible due to some misguided notion that our manufacturing portion of the country is somehow less than American and not worthy of the same protections afforded other industries.

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    Unemployment Rate

    Ohio: 10%
    Michigan: 14.3%
    Indiana: 9.4%
    Wisconsin: 7.6%
    Minnesota: 6.9%

    It would seem you are right. Its basically Michigan, Indiana and Ohio dying a slow death.

    Yay, for us.



    Therein lies the problem. Brain drain. Everyone with talent moves away to the coasts. Then laments how where they are sucks for various reasons by comparsion.

    Also, I am not talking the Census Bureau MidWest here...to me, Kansas and Nebraska are not the MidWest.

    I am talking about Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Minnesota. If you havent been there for any length of time, kindly keep your stereotypes about our job situation to yourself. You'd be hard pressed to find a better place to raise a family and have an affordable living with better schools than the city trash you'll find in every major metropolis (Detroit leading the way in the "trash" department btw).

    The MidWest died because this country saw fit to export its ability to manufacture. The geniuses of enterprise see making their steel and widgets in India as a better prospect only because our government doesnt tarrif the living out of corporate America like every other nation in the ing world does to us (Canada and Mexico excluded, thanks NAFTA!).

    Why? Because corporate America owns our government. They own our media and when questioned on the subject, your average American will respond with the cliche about free enterprise and open markets, although none of these things exist for American companies anywhere else in the world. They'll say some ignorant about protectionism and how it caused the Great Depression (which is complete bull ).



    US domestic manufacturers, in part, cannot complete with globalization because globalization only adversely affects domestic manufacturers. Having products made in India/China/wherever creates no tax burden for the corporation that does so (except for profits, of course). Whereas, if youre domestic, youre paying taxes on everything. Property, city, FUTA, state, local, county, federal, social security, medicare, etc. Every time you pay an American employee, the employee and the employer are taxed by all government (local, state and federal).

    Not so for companies that outsource. Its a tax-less system for mega-corporations to have windfall profits, monopolizing any industry they so choose due to less-than-fair government who they have firmly in their pocket.

    Nowhere else in the world buys as much as Americans, because no one else in the world has as much disposable income as Americans (at least, no one used to, idk anymore). We Americans let our corporate task masters dictate everything in the name of their profit...like their profit somehow positively affects you and me, when it doesnt....at all.

    How exactly is making microchips in Korea beneficial to Americans? It isnt. Are they cheaper? No, theyre not. How about clothes made in sweatshops in India, China and Malaysia? Are your clothes cheaper for it? No, because the retailer just marks them up to what the market expects. That shirt from (i dont know fashion at all, soooo...) Abercrombie & Fitch cost them about, ohhhhh, $0.50 to make, probably another $1.00 per shirt to ship (im being very generous with that, I ship overseas alllll the time), another $1.00 to get it out of the crate and ship it across country to your local mall (per shirt). The retailer is going to make a HUGE markup and of course, you'd expect them to make profit, so they up it by....ohhhhh, 500%? That shirt should cost you, the consumer, $12.50. How much are you paying per shirt these days for a sweatshop full of broken children to make your goods? $60? Who pockets that and where is this good for our economy?

    I make no assumptions about Texas beyond funny jabs like accent, stereotypes and an all encompassing obsession with everything Spanish.

    Texas is an outlier to the rest of the country. I am sure some native Texans could explain to me why that is, because I certainly do not know.

    So yes, the MidWest may be dead but thats because corporate government decided the needs of the few (rich) far outweigh the needs of the many (the non-rich). So you can do your stupid fuicking happy-dance on our grave, all while laughing and thinking that an area of your country dying is just sooooo ing hilarious. Thats very elitist, thats very uninformed and very typical of your media-driven brain spewing things you think you know for fact only because those who have reason to influence national perception have far more money these days to do so seeing as globalization is now fact and irreversible due to some misguided notion that our manufacturing portion of the country is somehow less than American and not worthy of the same protections afforded other industries.

    Wow! Ecstatic got curbstomped like a hippy at kent state!

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