Neoconservative Resurgence in the Age of Obama

[ChumpDumper]

The democrats said that weapons comiing from syria and iran are just the neocons way of going to war again. None of that is real wh. all war monger's march. Believing Petraus will take______. Oh I can't remember what H Clinton said. Ugh...to suspend belief. That's right.

Is this just a stream of consciousness rant?

None of it made any sense.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah. Iran isn't a danger any more. Obama solved that months ago when he made concessions to Russia and China.

So what danger is Iran to the US?

[spursncowboys]

So what danger is Iran to the US?

Do you need a count of american soldiers killed by iranian train, and funded terrorist or by their weapons?
Their proxy wars with us, our allies and disrupting that region?
Their developing nuclear weapons? For who exactly?

[mogrovejo]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124727/Am...spx?CSTS=alert

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans remain opposed to closing the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba and moving some of the terrorist suspects being held there to U.S. prisons: 30% favor such actions, while 64% do not. These at udes could present a significant roadblock for President Obama at a time when he seeks congressional approval to move terrorist suspects from Guantanamo to a converted state prison in northwestern Illinois.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you need a count of american soldiers killed by iranian train, and funded terrorist or by their weapons?

Do you have that number?

Their proxy wars with us, our allies and disrupting that region?

Which wars are those? The only one I remember was the Iran-Iraq war, and the US was on both sides of that one.

Their developing nuclear weapons? For who exactly?

You think they are for us?

[Winehole23]

So we let iran go to the radical fascist who run it to this day.

Pretty much. It's their deal. It's for them to figure out, not for us to bestow upon them.

The countering because we have a foreign policy. I have never read a post by you that writes positively about any kind of foreign policy that intervenes in anything.

It's usually a bad idea. Not that Saddam didn't deserve it, but we didn't need to be the ones who did it, when we did it or in the way we did it.

I think something similar about Iran. It would be plainly counterproductive for us to attack Iran, unless of course, the whole strategy is to create a contiguous zone of war and instability that stretches from Pakistan to Iraq, as well as a welcome distraction for Americans angry about the banks, the insurance company, and the erstwhile broker-dealers who hijacked the US Congress last fall.

[Winehole23]

[mogrovejo]

ForumCop would have allowed the soviet totalitarians to place their missiles in La Habana. "None of our business". He also would have allowed the nazi totalitarians to conquer the entire continental Europe, including Russia, if he was Churchill. "None of our business", he'd say.

[Winehole23]

ForumCop would have allowed the soviet totalitarians to place their missiles in La Habana.

Poisoning the well.

He also would have allowed the nazi totalitarians to conquer the entire continental Europe, including Russia, if he was Churchill. "None of our business", he'd say.

Reductio ad hitlerum.

Hilarious. Here you reveal yourself to be little distinguishable from such distinguished SpursTalk posters as WC, SnC, gtown and Darrin. All strawman, ad hominem and Hitler.

Nice work, mogrovejo.

[mogrovejo]

Poisoning the well.

Reductio ad hitlerum.

Hilarious. Here you reveal yourself to be little distinguishable from such distinguished SpursTalk posters as WC, SnC, gtown and Darrin. All strawman, ad hominem and Hitler.

Nice work, mogrovejo.

Interesting posts. That's a lot of stuff to think about, ForumCop. Substantive theory.

[Winehole23]

Interesting posts. That's a lot of stuff to think about, ForumCop. Substantive theory.

Oh bosh, it's just a description.

[mogrovejo]

Oh bosh, I can't really articulate my point of view about national security policies and military interventions on foreign soil so I'll just keep playing floral games instead.

[Winehole23]

Floral games?

[Winehole23]

English fluency is a , isn't it mogro?

[mogrovejo]

You don't know what floral games are?

[spursncowboys]

Pretty much. It's their deal. It's for them to figure out, not for us to bestow upon them.

It wasn't the majority of iranians who wanted that. Just like the majority of iraqis didn't want saddam.

It's usually a bad idea. Not that Saddam didn't deserve it, but we didn't need to be the ones who did it, when we did it or in the way we did it.

I think something similar about Iran. It would be plainly counterproductive for us to attack Iran, unless of course, the whole strategy is to create a contiguous zone of war and instability that stretches from Pakistan to Iraq, as well as a welcome distraction for Americans angry about the banks, the insurance company, and the erstwhile broker-dealers who hijacked the US Congress last fall.

What my point was you were making an argument for leaving saddam because it kept iran in check. Why does it matter who is in check or not, if you are not willing to do something for america's interest across the world? Because it is not our business. I think it is your belief that we are safe in america regardless of their positions.

[ChumpDumper]

It wasn't the majority of iranians who wanted that. Just like the majority of iraqis didn't want saddam.

Did the Iranians want the repressive dictator that we backed before the revolution? Did they want their democratically elected prime minister overthrown in a CIA operation so that dictator could come back to power?

I think it is your belief that we are safe in america regardless of their positions.

I think we were quite safe from Iraq as it was under the thumb of our military.

[spursncowboys]

Did the Iranians want the repressive dictator that we backed before the revolution? Did they want their democratically elected prime minister overthrown in a CIA operation so that dictator could come back to power?

I think we were quite safe from Iraq as it was under the thumb of our military.

I think you should do a little more googling about iran. Starting to sound like gga.
Also that last sentence makes absolutely no sense.

[ChumpDumper]

I think you should do a little more googling about iran. Starting to sound like gga.

With what are you taking issue?

Be specific.

Also that last sentence makes absolutely no sense.

I think you should do a little more googling about Iraq. Starting to sound like SnC.

[clambake]

maybe he's too young to remember the butcher.

[spursncowboys]

Poisoning the well.

Reductio ad hitlerum.

Hilarious. Here you reveal yourself to be little distinguishable from such distinguished SpursTalk posters as WC, SnC, gtown and Darrin. All strawman, ad hominem and Hitler.

Nice work, mogrovejo.

How is the comparison off? Was WW2 our business? This isn't a strawman.

[Winehole23]

You don't know what floral games are?

A shocking lacuna. Because it's only common knowledge that:

Floral Games were any of a series historically-related poetry contests with floral prizes. In Occitan, their original language, and Catalan they are known as Jocs florals (modern Occitan: Jòcs floraus). In French they became the Jeux floraux. The original contests may have been inspired by the Roman Floralia (Ludi Florensei) held in honour of Chloris.

Forgive us, profe. We are not European.

[Winehole23]

Poetry contests, knowledge about?

[spursncowboys]

Did the Iranians want the repressive dictator that we backed before the revolution? Did they want their democratically elected prime minister overthrown in a CIA operation so that dictator could come back to power?

I think we were quite safe from Iraq as it was under the thumb of our military.

It must be good to live in this safe world where communist nations that nationalize oil fields in the height of the Cold War. Also just pay no attention to the declassified kgb papers that authenticate the notion of ussr working to allie with iran. Then you got the persians and arabs all becoming commies, and then all our oil being controlled by our enemies. Europe would have been just fine with all their oils controlled by enemies. We all know how well Japan fared by it.
Also do you have any facts that base the shah's political prisoners are even closely similar to the political prisoners killed in Iran this year alone?

So after the US used military force, then we were safe from Iraq. Way to keep your moron record maintained.

Finally how many Americans were killed by Iranians when the shah was in?

[Ignignokt]

English fluency is a , isn't it mogro?

No, just the one who expects to get a moron pass from it.