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Whottt, you did not answer my question?
Stumped?
Uh no...the biggest play Steve Kerr made was coming in and shooting 70% from 3 for the entire playoff run.
Yeah? And what was our downfall last season?and it will be their downfall.
Yeah...Jordan's D was the best part of his gameAbsolutely. Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Grant, Rodman, Magic, AC Green, Kareem, Cooper are all top-tier defenders, as were Shaq Kobe Horry and Fisher. IIRC Harp and Grant played on a couple of the Laker teams, too....
Ditto Shaq, Kobe and Horry...
Magic
Magic was an awful defensive player, it's ridiculous that you even try to claim he wasn't...there's more to the game than steals.
How old are you? Just out of curiosity...Becuase if you think the showtime Lakers were a defensive team you obviously never watched them...
Shaq?...
Yeah they say he is the MDE because of his D.
Whottt, you did not answer my question?
Stumped?
Okay, first of all, I didn't know this was an either/or thing, that if they were outstanding offensive players, that somehow their defense no longer counts at all. You said that those teams didn't play defense, and you are absolutely so dead wrong you should be embarassed that you are still trying to defend it. Also, I didn't know that you were allowed to discount a statistic wherever you pleased. There's more to the game than steals, but steals are a pretty ing big part of defense. The knock on Magic when he came into the league is that he couldn't score, not that he couldn't defend. He could not only defend, but he could defend your power forward or your center in the post.Yeah...Jordan's D was the best part of his game
Ditto Shaq, Kobe and Horry...
Magic
Magic was an awful defensive player, it's ridiculous that you even try to claim he wasn't...there's more to the game than steals.
How old are you? Just out of curiosity...Becuase if you think the showtime Lakers were a defensive team you obviously never watched them...
Shaq?
Yeah they say he is the MDE because of his D.
Not that it matters, since ESPN classic shows those games all the time, but I'm 35 and watched all those battles through the 80s on tape-delay. The three best teams of that decade all could roll up their sleeves and play defense.
I agree that you have to hit some shots to win a game, and I've agreed with you on that specific point in other threads, but don't say something stupid like they couldn't or didn't play defense.
Depends on who are best players are, what the score is, what our current problems are, and how long they have been going on...
Put it this way...the only two guys that never need to be off the court are Duncan and Manu...but it's debatable whether or not they should be handling the ball primarily.
In a ing 10 minute scoring drought...I expect to see Barry out there, with the ball in his hands. I'd like to see Horry out there with him...and I'd like to see Robinson given a chance.
TD needs to be in the game, we had the shots we wanted, they just rolled offf the rim or bounced off, they were close to dropping in, it was a matter of inches. These guys can win games, and they can make stops(6-17), they had a bad 4th Q offensively, BFD, they will improve on it....just ing relax.
You go look at the close games we have played this season and then tell me how many times that starting lineup(or exchanging Rasho) was on the court exclusively in the final 2-3 minutes.
I bet you won't find one win. You'll see Barry and or Horry in there...and even if it was just a spot subs ution you'll see them a part of the game winning play.
I took Big Dog's comments to mean he hasn't learned the system, not that he isn't ready to get in the game and take and make shots and I have to agree.
When he does get in you'll still see guys telling him where he should be and you'll still see him in the wrong spots from time to time, but if he's not ready and Nazr isn't a shot blocker than that's alright with me.....
Well whottt, I think we have the starters to go to war with. I trust them to win this series and I can not wait til tomorrow so they can prove it to you.
Think about it... If you're ahead, you want to slow down the game. You want to give them less opportunities to score, and trust that your offense can at least score enough to stay ahead.
I suggest you check the lineup during the last quarter of the Regular Season Game of the Year against Phoenix.Barry is useless in a game where we are down 15 points...he's got his most usefulness when the game is close or we have a lead.
Sure, sparingly.I'd say the same is true of BigBogg. But he's got more use when we are trailing.
Bottom line is both of them are our best options when our problem is a scoring drought.
Assuming you CAN trade baskets... Why do you assume that an average offensive team with clamp-down defense is any more likely to trade baskets than an average defensive team that can score more easily? It's not a guarantee either way... so your best bet is to slow the game down and rely on what got you where you are.When you have the lead you can trade baskets and win...when you are tied you can trade baskets and stay in the game until the momentum changes.
As would I... If that's all you're arguing, then we really don't have to go any further because we agree.I would have just like to have seen him come for a couple of posessions.
My problem is with people who want to see drastic minute changes... reducing Bowen's minutes to give Robinson 15-20 minutes. There were people ing about not seeing Big Dog WAY before the fourth quarter scoring drought, when we were shooting over 50% from the field.
You expect that to be a regular occurance? In the Playoffs, when the games mean something?Um...did you not see the game where he just went 9-11 in 19 minutes of play?
It wouldn't happen. It's much less likely for that to happen than for us to see another 10 minute scoreless drought.
I think the following is more of a legitimate concern than a 10 minute scoring drought. Some things can be chalked up as flukes.
Others...
4TH QUARTER SUMMARY
TIME DENVER SCORE SAN ANTONIO
12:00 Start of the 4th Quarter.
11:37 Wesley Person made 25 ft three point jumper. Assisted by Earl Boykins. 76-75
11:15 76-77 Manu Ginobili made layup. Assisted by Tim Duncan.
11:03 Wesley Person missed 23 ft three point jumper. 76-77
11:02 76-77 Tim Duncan defensive rebound.
10:56 76-79 Beno Udrih made layup. Assisted by Manu Ginobili.
10:37 Greg Buckner Lost Ball 76-79
10:19 76-81 Glenn Robinson made 14 ft jumper. Assisted by Manu Ginobili.
10:17 Denver Full Timeout.
10:00 76-81 Glenn Robinson Shooting Foul. His 1st Personal Foul.
10:00 Nene Hilario missed Free Throw 1 of 2. 76-81
10:00 Denver offensive rebound. 76-81
10:00 76-81 Nazr Mohammed enters the game for Robert Horry.
10:00 Nene Hilario made Free Throw 2 of 2. 77-81
9:48 77-81 Manu Ginobili missed 6 ft running jumper.
9:45 77-81 Nazr Mohammed offensive rebound.
9:44 77-81 Tim Duncan missed 7 ft jumper.
9:41 Greg Buckner defensive rebound. 77-81
9:30 Kenyon Martin Lost Ball. Stolen by Nazr Mohammed. 77-81
9:15 77-81 Tim Duncan missed 4 ft jumper.
9:14 Kenyon Martin defensive rebound. 77-81
9:04 77-81 Tim Duncan Jump Ball
9:04 Andre Miller enters the game for Wesley Person. 77-81
9:04 Marcus Camby enters the game for Nene Hilario. 77-81
8:56 Kenyon Martin made 14 ft jumper. 79-81
8:36 79-81 Manu Ginobili missed 24 ft three point jumper.
8:36 79-81 San Antonio defensive rebound.
8:36 79-81 Tim Duncan Loose Ball Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul.
8:21 Greg Buckner missed 23 ft three point jumper. 79-81
8:18 Earl Boykins offensive rebound. 79-81
8:07 Andre Miller missed 12 ft jumper. 79-81
8:04 79-81 Beno Udrih defensive rebound.
8:04 Marcus Camby Personal Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul. 79-81
7:47 79-81 Beno Udrih missed 25 ft three point jumper.
7:45 Andre Miller defensive rebound. 79-81
7:33 Kenyon Martin missed 7 ft two point shot. 79-81
7:31 79-81 Tim Duncan defensive rebound.
7:16 79-81 Glenn Robinson missed 10 ft jumper.
7:15 79-81 Nazr Mohammed offensive rebound.
7:07 79-81 Glenn Robinson Offensive Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul.
7:07 79-81 Glenn Robinson Turnover
7:07 79-81 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Manu Ginobili.
7:07 79-81 Tony Parker enters the game for Beno Udrih.
6:52 Kenyon Martin missed 18 ft jumper. 79-81
6:50 Carmelo Anthony offensive rebound. 79-81
6:39 Andre Miller missed 16 ft jumper. 79-81
6:35 Carmelo Anthony offensive rebound. 79-81
6:31 Andre Miller missed 12 ft jumper. 79-81
6:31 Denver defensive rebound. 79-81
6:31 Marcus Camby Loose Ball Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 79-81
6:31 79-81 Robert Horry enters the game for Tim Duncan.
6:15 79-81 Glenn Robinson missed 23 ft three point jumper.
6:13 Marcus Camby defensive rebound. 79-81
6:05 Andre Miller Bad Pass. Stolen by Nazr Mohammed. 79-81
6:01 San Antonio Full Timeout.
6:01 Nene Hilario enters the game for Kenyon Martin. 79-81
6:01 79-81 Manu Ginobili enters the game for Bruce Bowen.
5:48 79-81 Robert Horry missed 5 ft two point shot.
5:46 Marcus Camby defensive rebound. 79-81
5:30 Andre Miller missed 15 ft jumper. 79-81
5:28 Andre Miller offensive rebound. 79-81
5:28 79-81 Robert Horry Personal Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul.
5:28 79-81 Tim Duncan enters the game for Nazr Mohammed.
5:28 79-81 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Glenn Robinson.
5:18 Carmelo Anthony made two point shot. Assisted by Nene Hilario. 81-81
4:58 Earl Boykins enters the game for Greg Buckner. 81-81
4:58 Kenyon Martin enters the game for Nene Hilario. 81-81
4:54 81-81 Manu Ginobili missed 25 ft three point jumper.
4:52 Carmelo Anthony defensive rebound. 81-81
4:37 Earl Boykins missed 5 ft jumper. 81-81
4:35 Carmelo Anthony offensive rebound. 81-81
4:33 Carmelo Anthony made layup. 83-81
4:22 Kenyon Martin Shooting Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 83-81
4:22 83-81 Manu Ginobili missed Free Throw 1 of 2.
4:22 83-81 San Antonio offensive rebound.
4:22 83-82 Manu Ginobili made Free Throw 2 of 2.
4:13 Earl Boykins missed 16 ft jumper. 83-82
4:11 83-82 Bruce Bowen defensive rebound.
3:55 83-82 Nazr Mohammed enters the game for Robert Horry.
3:55 Jumpball: Kenyon Martin vs. Manu Ginobili. Marcus Camby gains possession. 83-82
3:55 83-82 Manu Ginobili Lost Ball. Stolen by Kenyon Martin.
3:47 Andre Miller missed 9 ft jumper. 83-82
3:45 83-82 Manu Ginobili defensive rebound.
3:31 83-82 Tim Duncan missed 8 ft two point shot.
3:30 83-82 San Antonio offensive rebound.
3:27 Kenyon Martin Personal Foul. His 5th Personal Foul. 83-82
3:16 83-82 Tim Duncan missed layup.
3:15 83-82 Nazr Mohammed offensive rebound.
3:14 Carmelo Anthony Shooting Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 83-82
3:14 83-82 Nazr Mohammed missed Free Throw 1 of 2.
3:14 83-82 San Antonio offensive rebound.
3:14 83-83 Nazr Mohammed made Free Throw 2 of 2.
2:49 Marcus Camby missed 16 ft jumper. 83-83
2:48 83-83 Tim Duncan defensive rebound.
2:32 83-83 Manu Ginobili missed jumper.
2:31 Kenyon Martin defensive rebound. 83-83
2:16 Andre Miller missed 15 ft jumper. 83-83
2:16 Denver defensive rebound. 83-83
2:16 Carmelo Anthony Loose Ball Foul. His 5th Personal Foul. 83-83
2:16 83-83 Official Timeout.
2:16 83-83 Bruce Bowen missed Free Throw 1 of 2.
2:16 83-83 San Antonio offensive rebound.
2:16 83-84 Bruce Bowen made Free Throw 2 of 2.
1:55 Earl Boykins made 16 ft jumper. 85-84
1:42 85-84 Tony Parker missed 8 ft two point shot.
1:39 85-84 Bruce Bowen offensive rebound.
1:34 85-84 Tony Parker missed running jumper.
1:31 85-84 San Antonio defensive rebound.
1:17 85-84 Nazr Mohammed Shooting Foul. His 4th Personal Foul.
1:17 Marcus Camby made Free Throw 1 of 2. 86-84
1:17 Greg Buckner enters the game for Earl Boykins. 86-84
1:17 Marcus Camby missed Free Throw 2 of 2. 86-84
1:16 86-84 Tim Duncan defensive rebound.
1:16 San Antonio Full Timeout.
1:09 86-84 Nazr Mohammed Lost Ball. Stolen by Kenyon Martin.
0:51 Marcus Camby made 9 ft jumper. Assisted by Andre Miller. 88-84
0:38 88-84 Tim Duncan missed 6 ft two point shot.
0:36 Marcus Camby defensive rebound. 88-84
0:35 Marcus Camby Lost Ball. Stolen by Manu Ginobili. 88-84
0:33 88-84 Tim Duncan missed layup.
0:31 Kenyon Martin defensive rebound. 88-84
0:28 88-84 Tony Parker Personal Foul. His 4th Personal Foul.
0:28 Andre Miller made Free Throw 1 of 2. 89-84
0:28 DerMarr Johnson enters the game for Carmelo Anthony. 89-84
0:28 Andre Miller missed Free Throw 2 of 2. 89-84
0:27 Kenyon Martin offensive rebound. 89-84
0:22 89-84 Tony Parker Personal Foul. His 5th Personal Foul.
0:22 Andre Miller made Free Throw 1 of 2. 90-84
0:22 Andre Miller made Free Throw 2 of 2. 91-84
0:22 San Antonio 20 Sec. Timeout.
0:22 91-84 Robert Horry enters the game for Nazr Mohammed.
0:18 91-84 Tim Duncan missed 8 ft jumper.
0:16 Andre Miller defensive rebound. 91-84
0:15 91-84 Robert Horry Personal Foul. His 4th Personal Foul.
0:15 91-84 Nazr Mohammed enters the game for Tim Duncan.
0:15 Andre Miller made Free Throw 1 of 2. 92-84
0:15 92-84 Beno Udrih enters the game for Tony Parker.
0:15 92-84 Brent Barry enters the game for Manu Ginobili.
0:15 Andre Miller made Free Throw 2 of 2.
I hated the fact we lost 3 out of the last 4 coming in. Even thought it was used primarly to get Duncan minimal minutes. Its never good to have the losing feeling coming in, doesn't matter if they're meanningless.
I have no problem with the lineup that was out there. TP never misses the floater, Manu should've drove and instead of setting for the jumper (though he usually makes those) and TD never, NEVER missing that baby hook in the lane. It sucks, but its all bounce here and there.
Right now, i think Barry should be taking Beno's minutes and Grob taking Barry's minutes. But this should of been done before the playoffs.
What the does winning 1 or 2 games on our home court prove?
Nothing.
What a beggar you are...
It's the series or nothing.
Unless we lose a game, right Nancy?It's the series or nothing.
Yeah, unless we lose a game.
We should be winning these games...that's the whole point.
WTF said all I want is 1 or 2 games?
The Spurs had a hiccup...bfd.
Are you that spoiled, that you can not allow a bad quarter?
All they have to do is this:
1. Finish quarters like they did all year.
2. rebound on the defensive end.
3. limit TOs to around 13/game.
4. compete for 4 quarters
5. defend the open court, limit fastbreak points and 2nd chance points.
I have 100% confidence that they will do all the above and stomp the crap out of them the next 5 games.
You guys act like we are gonna advance for splitting the first two games on our home court....
If we don't win the next one...it'll go from being just a routine choke to one of epic proportions.
No, you act like we're going to lose for splitting.
I haven't said anything about celebrating Game 2 like it's the end of the series. The only people assigning any higher value to Game 1 are the ones who are jumping ship.
I'm not jumping ship because of losing game 1...I am jumping it because of the way we lost and because of the commentary from key figures afterwards.
Don't get me wrong...Giving up the HCA you played all season for is a big deal...but it in and of itself is not reason to jump ship...
A loss of confidence, crappy subs utions, and the coaches total non recognition of the reality, is reason..
BTW, could you please include more profanity in your posts in the future? Thank you.
I guess our question to you is why you think the Spurs will lose game 2? I expect the Spurs to win Game 2, win one in Denver, then win two more. Spurs in 6.
Thing is, nothing really happened in Game 1 to make me think this cannot happen. Think the Spurs will go on an 11 minute scoring drought again? Won't happen.
Thin Andre Miller will get 31 again? Won't happen.
Think the Spurs won't get more foul calls next game? That WILL happen.
Take it to the hoop guys, and the game will be yours.
And it's happened the last two seasons. The Spurs beat the Lakers the first two games at home but then go to LA and gets hammered because they lose their intensity. The effort in both game threes in LA the last two seasons were pathetic because they played like the series was over after leading 2-0. I know the games would have been difficult to win anyway, but put a fight.Why do the Spurs have to blow HCA and dig themselves into a deep hole in order to wake themselves up and start playing with intensity (IF that's what they do Wed night)? That's Pop's role and/or the role of the team leader, who Pop says is Tim.
Profanity is for ignorant suckers. that.BTW, could you please include more profanity in your posts in the future? Thank you.
What the were they tired from? They had three days rest!How did they choke???
They were tired
As for Kerr, the only reason he ever had a chance is because Duncan said "yo Pop, quit being a ing idiot and put Steve in the game to shoot some threes."
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