Yeah, he's been a big disappointment. I expected him to bring to us what he brought to Detroit - tough boardwork and D, a nice 18fter - and we've seen the 18fter, but that's about it.
I doubt he will be traded thought, because teams don't like to sign FAs and turn around and trade them the same year because it sends a poor signal to the FA market in general about the team.
Ugh. What to do? Hope that he is the "2nd half (of the season)" player that he claims to be.
As for hoping he breaks his leg, come on now, that's uncalled for.
KT sucked for us but man McDyess has been horrible. I didn't think we had the bigs we needed and now it's obvious. for years the spurs have tried to manage for the long-term but the end appears to be here and none of their moves really helped.
ginobili injuries + scola fiasco + splitter fiasco + RJ trade =
awwwww kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Last edited by TheChillFactor; 01-21-2010 at 12:13 AM.
Getting 9 Mil to play for the opposing team
that hurts badly because we pay his salary
Who is getting 9 million????
McDyess is on MLE.
2 years
2009-2010
4.5 mil
2010-2011
4.8 mil
Either he is done, i.e., over the hill or he just ain't got any heart. Same can be said for that damn worthless pos RJ. Those two are like a bad nightmare!
I wanted Dice over Sheed but he's been a huge disappointment. Sheed hasn't been that much better and has been driving Celtics fans crazy and demanded the full MLE (which would have cost the Spurs locking up Blair for up to 4 years).
The Spurs last just weren't good enough with KT and Oberto and Gooden, talent-wise. They needed upgrades. And Blair may be a step up from Gooden, but McDyess so far at best is just a lateral move from KT/Oberto.
And the Spurs can't win a le like that.
It doesn't help when Jefferson can't defend anyone and plays softer than Vinny Del Negro.
I would argue that McDyess has been a downgrade from Kurt..
Also, I agree that 'Sheed wouldn't have made a difference either, especially considering the $..hopefully we can acquire a legit big with the rest of our expirings..
Agreed...
were there really any better alternatives in the offseason though?
We know Rasheed.
Gooden didn't cut it.
Joe Smith is having a minimal impact.
ZaZa is making similar money to Dice year by year, but he's having a down year and a reduced role. Worse shooting, double the turnovers, no shotblocking . . . Nah.
Gortat needed the full MLE and was matched outright.
Brandon Bass is reportedly on the trading block, and is in and out of Orlando's line-up with DNP-CDs. And he doesn't rebound when he does play.
Big Baby was cheaper than Dice, but does he have the size to play against the Lakers? And his off-court shenanigans and strange on-court behavior is a recipe for getting in Pop's doghouse and never getting out.
Varajao out of the price range.
Ben Wallace only wanted to play in Detroit.
Darko is Darko and a quitter.
Rasho? No.
Tim Thomas? Already have Bonner.
Chris Anderson wanted to stay in Denver, where he first got his personal life together living with his agent there while on suspension.
Channing Frye? Already have Bonner and Frye's been benched for Robin Lopez.
Except for maybe Big Baby, I don't know if any of the other gettable players makes the Spurs better. And hopefully McDyess improves.
Maybe the only real alternative was instead of dumping salary for RJ was to dump salary for Zach Randolph, but even that had it's pitfalls.
Making Spurs fans pine for Kurt Thomas... That's a stunningly heartbreaking achievement on Dice's part, cheers.
Nice summary by objective.
There wasn't anyone better on the market, we got the guy who SHOULD be helping us (and averaged 10/10 last year), but it hasn't worked out as it does on paper. These things happen I guess.
I don't blame the FO for getting 'Dice, I wanted him too..he has just disappointed with his play and hasn't given us what we need or what he gave Detroit last year..
RJ OTOH, I blame on the FO..
yeah, he looked like he was the one. The one big risk was that the wheels would fall off. That fear may have come true.Nice summary by objective.
There wasn't anyone better on the market, we got the guy who SHOULD be helping us (and averaged 10/10 last year), but it hasn't worked out as it does on paper. These things happen I guess.
I would add though that as bad as McDyess has played this year makes the imprisonment of Mahinmi more frustrating.
When I watched the Memphis game a second time and just focused on Mahinmi I realized that
A. He was actually decent in that game and
B. McDyess had numerous games before that where he was much worse than Mahinmi was in that game.
Maybe McDyess needs the minutes in the hope that his body needs that grind to loosen up for late in the season, but Mahinmi's worst game (of 2 real games) was much better than several of McDyess's invisible games.
i wonder what the reaction would be if sheed was on this team chucking is 29% 3 pointers and racking up the technicals and fines. i don't know if it's fair to blame mcdyess individually. the entire team minus a player here or there are cruising. mcdyess, the new addition, is just mimicking the team's energy.
Dice is playing terrible so far. His D is pathetic, one and one and especially help D.
Give Ian some minutes. He can't do any worst
Even if Ian ate Dice minutes it wouldn't help us for the POs.
Never Ian will see any minutes in POs for good or bad reasons. Maybe Pop will give some minutes to Blair but Ian no way. Globally playing Ian except for trading reason is 0 interest.
Let's be prepared to see good minutes during the POs for Dice even if he doesn't step up and for Bonner and..... finley of course.
you know, one of my favorite spurs moments of all time was in game 6 against the nets in 2003 when manu poked the ball loose from RJ, went around his back and stole it against his unaware ass. so when we got him, i was worried that we were getting a lackadaisical player that didn't have the brains to protect the ball in the 4th quarter of an NBA finals game.
howeva! (stephen a smith voice) i trusted the FO especially with how they tried to get him at the deadline and then kept pursuing him into the offseason. it made me think there must have been something they saw that i didn't. now i realize he's just a lazy dumbass and i don't think we can win with him.
we gave up spare parts to get him but it seems like for the cake the Spurs are paying him we could have someone better....
Dice and Bonner's production look quite similar so I decided to look at their Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating to see their influence on offense and defense. I also took a look at Blair's. The higher the number for Offensive Rating, the better it is, the lower it is for Defensive Rating, the better it is.
Matt Bonner: Offensive Rating of 126, Defensive Rating of 106.
Antonio McDyess: Offensive Rating of 103, Defensive Rating of 102.
DeJuan Blair: Offensive Rating of 107, Defensive Rating of 100.
So there, Matt Bonner helps the Spurs outscore the Spurs by the largest margin and the co-relation between his +/- is indicative here. Bonner, whether the haters like it or not, has more positive impact than Dice or Blair this season. The haters can just look at the defensive rating of Bonner's to get themselves off too.
McDyess has been a supreme disappointment thus far. It's hard to believe he's been this bad, but that's what happens sometimes when you get guys too late in their career.
And here I though he played with a lot of hustle last night.
Who knew?
He still can't catch a pass from Manu, which is frustrating and makes people wonder about his focus. I'd say the overall results have been a letdown.
Insanity if often described as doing the same thing that didn't work over and over again. Why do we keep bringing in veterans who are long past their prime?
Not Dice's fault if the Spurs expectations were the McDyess of the 90s. He has been on a career trajectory downward since 2001. Yes, 2001. Look at his stats. Why didn't the Spurs think tank do that?
Sure, a once great player can bring it once in a while and give you a glimpse of what he was--but that is a flashback and won't be sustained.
If this is good as it gets, as far as Dice's performance is concerned, they are tied to this guy for 2 more years beyond this one. Unless there is a dramatic uptick in his performance, this will have been one big bust of a move.
Yet and still and with Dice's sucky performances, they're still not willing to give Ian and Theo some on-the-fly, court time.
McDyess is soft, old,
BUT expensive.
Just trade him.
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