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Bowen did a great job on him in the playoffs as well.
By Bowen, I mean Ryan Bowen. That was his one job to frustrate the out of Dirk and he was able to do it most of the series.
Jackson, Matrix, even Bowen, were all figured out eventually by Dirk. Jackson was made to look amazing by the quick double teams and also the fact that both Stack and Jet had awful shooting series and couldn't take advantage of the space given to them. Dirk has easily torched him in some other games since then.
Historically the best against him, as I remember were the Pistons 0f 04-07. It wasn't really Wallace, I think he was too flat-footed or slow to follow him around the screens, but both Ben and Prince were tough on him. Ben was especially mobile, you knew Dirk wasn't backing him down, and he still had length to bother his shot. I think Dirk had some of the worst games for him during that period against them.
p.s to the people that think KG can defend him.... He has owned him one on one since the beginning of the decade. KG is mobile yes, but he is simply too uncomfortable having to follow Dirk around.
Bowen did a great job on him in the playoffs as well.
By Bowen, I mean Ryan Bowen. That was his one job to frustrate the out of Dirk and he was able to do it most of the series.
Well Dirk killed him in game 7, and generally got better as the series went on in 06. Bowen was a pesk, but Dirk's free throw line post up was the way to counter what Bowen usually.
As for Ryan Bowen and the Rockets, don't forget that before in the year Dirk had 53 against them. But after Avery took over in 05, Dirk had a bit of a tough time adjusting. He didn't shoot particulary well even in the second round against the Suns, though he did win game 2 with some clutch shots in the end. I haven't seen Ryan Bowen ever be able to replicate his success against Dirk, so I am not sure he was much of a true Dirk-stopper.
Ummm....no.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...505070DAL.html
Dirk's stats from game 7 of that series: 14 points, .35 from the field, .66 from the FT line, and no 3pters.
Ummm....no
He's referring to Game 7 of the Spurs-Mavs series in 2006.
Well Dirk killed him in game 7, and generally got better as the series went on in 06. Bowen was a pesk, but Dirk's free throw line post up was the way to counter what Bowen usually.
As for Ryan Bowen and the Rockets,
Game 7 in 06, read what I wrote. I was referring to Bruce Bowen in the first line, on which Dirk had his amazing 37pts 15rebs performance plus the key basket of the game.
I admitted later that Dirk did not shoot well at all in 05, but given that he hasn't been able to replicate I don't think it is a big evidence of him being a stopper. Plus, going all crazy defense on Dirk gave Jet a lot, and I meat A LOT, of space during that series. If he did to the Warriors in 07 what he did to the Rox in 05, we might just have a ring now. But the Rox are one of the few teams that Jet is always ready to play.
Lots of help from Dirk choking that series away?
Richard Jefferson, Haslem, Posey, Marion, Bowen, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington, and Artest. Basically SF's and athletic power forwards.
My fault. Either way my point still stands, long and athletic SF's have always given him trouble because he has no post game.
Dirk has more of a post game that Garnett has shown the last few years, that's for sure! The guy basically lives in the 10-12ft are nowadays.
Yea nowadays is the key word. KG has a solid post game and can use it when needed kinda like Rasheed did during Detroit's le run.
Wow, how is it no one mentioned Tracy McGrady in this thread? I know T-Mac doesn't play defense consistently and never has but he definitely locked Dirk up in the first round of the 2005 playoffs. That was about the only time I ever felt bad that T-Mac didn't get to the 2nd round because he put all effort into both ends of the floor showed that he could be an elite defender when he put his heart into it. Unfortunately that series was about the only time I ever saw him put that much effort into defense and it's also the worst I've ever seen Dirk play in a series.
Edit: Sorry Double-up...missed your response on the first page
I would say so. Pretty much every player scored below their season averages.
McGrady was a monster in that series. Dirk played far worse in that series that Dallas won than against Miami or Golden State.Wow, how is it no one mentioned Tracy McGrady in this thread? I know T-Mac doesn't play defense consistently and never has but he definitely locked Dirk up in the first round of the 2005 playoffs. That was about the only time I ever felt bad that T-Mac didn't get to the 2nd round because he put all effort into both ends of the floor showed that he could be an elite defender when he put his heart into it. Unfortunately that series was about the only time I ever saw him put that much effort into defense and it's also the worst I've ever seen Dirk play in a series.
Edit: Sorry Double-up...missed your response on the first page
I would say an Odom or Marion makes sense. It is hard to tell effectively because so many things have happened over the years.
But on another note, Dirk is not even close to the quickest big man off the dribble.
Odom, Gasol, and Amare are probably the fastest. But jump shooting is very important as well. Otherwise teams can pack the paint. Dirk is good enough to make shots even when players are real close to him and can draw fouls that way as well due to being close. So yeah the jump shot is very important for a big man and for pretty much anyone that wants to be a big scorer. Shaq being the exception.
For sure. Dirk is easily the best offensive big man, I was just making a point about his quickness off the dribble that someone made earlier.
He isn't quick off the dribble, he barely dribles to begin with most of the time, though Dirk in his prime was pretty fast baseline to baseline (there are many youtube clips of him running the floor in his earlier days). He is agile, mobile, in a way unusual for a 7footer, he runs the floor and stops, turns, spins on a dime as if he was a guard, he moves through screens, fades away. Few big man, can replicate that sort of movement. It's not the typical athleticism, but it's a coordination and mobility that is simply rare. His secret is probably the hips, that's where most big man are far behind him in terms of mobility and coordination. And to me, that, more than his shooting prowess, is what truly makes him great.
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Who the is Marcus Haislip?
Yeah, Elson had one game where he stopped Dirk. I remember that too.
I've seen him shut Dirk down once, but not regularly.
Have to agree with this. When he snapped out of that 3-16 slump with about 10mins ot go yesterday, I thought uh-oh. When he hit that first 3 a few minutes later on a secondary break we'd defended well until he popped up as the trailer, I knew we were ed.
I reckon Nene would be up there.
odom does good on him. but dirk is going to get his shot off no matter who is guarding him,so its all on dirk
Earl Boykins.
Klomar plays Dirk pretty good.
I think Kobe's scoring and Klomar's defense on Dirk are pretty much the reasons why the Lakers have done ok against the Mavs in recent years.
Malik Rose before he got really fat always did a good job on him. Idk why Posey hasn't been mentioned yet.
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