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    to answer the orginal question...

    no.

    it's bull , like most of this bill which seems to have a "any bill will do" mantra behind it.

    it should have been single-payer or bust. what happened was that some politicians put their job security infront of their people.

    although i fail to see what obama has to do with this.

    reid and pelosi (more so reid than pelosi) should step down if they don't have the balls to get this done right.

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    "politicians put their job security infront of their people."

    no, they ALWAYS put their wealth ac ulation first.

    Like Wall St is an untaxed casino, and a market where products are sold without any city/state/federal sales tax, Congress and the Exec are simply unprosecuted bribery.

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    reid and pelosi (more so reid than pelosi) should step down if they don't have the balls to get this done right.
    Not necessarily directed at you, but I think Americans need to understand that no health care legislation will ever be passed in this country that even remotely reflects the "best solution".

    Too many interested parties, too much money. Reid, Pelosi, Obama...doesnt matter. It wasnt going to happen the way they thought it would, like it or not.

    Its clear, at this point, that Obama is trying to pass something...ANYTHING just as a starter piece of legislation.

    He will not go quietly into that good night on healthcare. Republicans know that, which is why they are vigorously opposing him. Once the "debate" part of healthcare is dropped from the moniker, America will be stuck with the program forever.

    No matter how flawed, how expensive, how ineffective or how imbalanced it will be, it will never be taken "off the books". Ever.

    Obama (and Dems) knows this. Thats why he wants anything passed that could even be called Healthcare Legislation. He is just priming the pump on this little fiasco.

    IF this abortion passes, anybody care to guess the over/under on how many times in the next two decades it will have to amended? Rewritten?

    No, this is just the shot over the bow. I dont want to use the analogy because it implies death, doom and destruction (which just isnt the case), but I cant think of another analogy...Congress is opening Pandora's Box and it will take decades of legislation to get the beasts released under control...because they will never go back into the Box so long as we are called Americans.

    And that is what pisses me off the most. The Dems are playing with a very serious fire here, they know it, but their eyes are not set on current Americans. Its on future Americans.

    Are they right? Dont know, dont care. No one will ever be able to sell to me how this is a good start to even better plan. Its from beginning to end, its drawn down partisan lines and I really want to know what the ing these Dems think will happen to their party when now until forever, they will always be associated with this...abortion. They are literally martyring their party for...this?!

    This?!

    Old saying...Choose your hill to die on wisely. If I were a Dem, this is not the hill I want to die on.

    If passed this year, in two years the Dems will be out of power in Congress (both the Senate and House). Republicans will sweeeeeeep across all elections. An inbred monkey could win so long as the consonant on the end of his name isnt a (D).

    Which, btw, is not good for America in any way. I say that because, like State Secrets, warrantless wiretaps and the Patriot Act, healthcare will be the new toy of Republicans who would be utterly blameless in its application, no matter how many times they amend it and change it, their party will never be associated with it.

    Its typical corporate shadow games, really. There is no blame in the corporate world...too many variables, too many people in too many places. Thats why divisions are always being "restructured". Something isnt working, its hard to say what exactly, so an overhaul is needed as a hope to fix it.

    New toy, same kids, same results. It gets broke.

    This current government is your shining example of why dictatorships always follow democracies.

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    The laptop isn't a good example to use here, since the computer industry in America came about only because of huge money fed by the government into developing machines capable of cracking German codes in WWII and to develop ARPAnet. Our abundant farmland and our great store of natural resources doesn't owe itself to systematic murder of a people? (a people who were easy to destroy because they weren't organized and could be picked off one tribe at a time)
    Money doesn't supply the innovative thinking.

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