Lebron >>>>>>> Kobe

[TheManFromAcme]

Yeah, bashing aside. Of course Kobe has still thunder in him, he proves that game after game and of course he still is compe ive. But, I just think Lebron is better in many ways, plus Lebron has still a longer bright future in front of him.

Agreed Bukefal.

That was really the meat of what I was trying convey. Youth does wonders. We all remember a 24-25 year old Kobe right? We all remember a 24-25 year old Duncan right? Tim is slower these days but to think he still can't school a young one out there is stupid.

Youth is great especially in this sport but experience, knowledge and a high IQ for this game are attributes that Tim and Kobe have that still make them dangerous.

Simply put; sleeping on the old timers( ) will burn you at some point.

[TheMACHINE]

LeBron is the younger, bright future ahead of him player, and Kobe is now the 31 year old, aging, slowing and declining player

Thanks for pointing that out Mr. Obvious.

Who knows?...maybe Kobe is in Duncan position...just waiting for the playoffs to start.

[JamStone]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game. He better hope he can get a ring or two between now and then because he has about a 5 year window and it may be more like a 2 or 3 year window if the Lakers do what is expected of them over the next couple years.

Utter lunacy.

There have been plenty of freakish athletes in the NBA that never sniffed anywhere close to 30/7/7. LeBron has plenty of skill people continue to deny. He's a great passer. He's an improving jump shooter, and at the very least an adequate one in the NBA. He has become a very, very good defender. LeBron does not rely only on his athleticism. Sure, he uses it, but he has plenty of skill. Even if he loses some quickness, that doesn't mean he'll lose his strength at 30. And the kid does work on his game. He's not the fanatic Kobe is, but he still works on his game and is improving. Barring a career ending type injury, LeBron will be a dominant player in the league well into his mid 30s if he chooses to play that long.

And it's not like after you pass the age of 30 you go from elite athlete to horrible athlete. While there might be regression, it won't be as drastic as you suggest. When LeBron hits around the age of 32, maybe he'll go from freakish elite athlete to great athlete. You don't just completely become nonathletic because you're passed 30. It would be a better argument to say once a player hits around the ages of 34-35, they see a noticeable decline in athleticism and production. But, 30 is still prime years. Again, barring a career ending type injury, LeBron has a good 8-10 years of being dominant in the league.


LeBron is better than Kobe now. He's probably been better the last couple seasons. But, it's not like Kobe is a slouch. Saying LeBron is better only means he's the only one better than Kobe in the league. Kobe is still at least the second best player in the league, and on some nights, for some stretches of games, he plays better than LeBron. It's close. LeBron is more dominant physically. Kobe is still more skillful and probably still has the edge in mental toughness. I'll take LeBron for the first 44 minutes of the game, and then I'll take Kobe for the final 4 minutes.

[TheManFromAcme]

Utter lunacy.

There have been plenty of freakish athletes in the NBA that never sniffed anywhere close to 30/7/7. LeBron has plenty of skill people continue to deny. He's a great passer. He's an improving jump shooter, and at the very least an adequate one in the NBA. He has become a very, very good defender. LeBron does not rely only on his athleticism. Sure, he uses it, but he has plenty of skill. Even if he loses some quickness, that doesn't mean he'll lose his strength at 30. And the kid does work on his game. He's not the fanatic Kobe is, but he still works on his game and is improving. Barring a career ending type injury, LeBron will be a dominant player in the league well into his mid 30s if he chooses to play that long.

And it's not like after you pass the age of 30 you go from elite athlete to horrible athlete. While there might be regression, it won't be as drastic as you suggest. When LeBron hits around the age of 32, maybe he'll go from freakish elite athlete to great athlete. You don't just completely become nonathletic because you're passed 30. It would be a better argument to say once a player hits around the ages of 34-35, they see a noticeable decline in athleticism and production. But, 30 is still prime years. Again, barring a career ending type injury, LeBron has a good 8-10 years of being dominant in the league.


LeBron is better than Kobe now. He's probably been better the last couple seasons. But, it's not like Kobe is a slouch. Saying LeBron is better only means he's the only one better than Kobe in the league. Kobe is still at least the second best player in the league, and on some nights, for some stretches of games, he plays better than LeBron. It's close. LeBron is more dominant physically. Kobe is still more skillful and probably still has the edge in mental toughness. I'll take LeBron for the first 44 minutes of the game, and then I'll take Kobe for the final 4 minutes.

Fair comment.
As for the last comment; Eh, I'll still go with the Kobster. He's a seasoned veteran and for me that makes all the difference especially in "must win" games.

[hitmanyr2k]

Shaq, MJ, Magic didnt win without another hall of famer. But Kobe did. ANd you are right...Lebron is carrying a group of role players. What did that get him? NOTHING. When he gets another all star, maybe he'll win a ring right?

Your whole arguement is pointless.

Except for Magic your argument is completely false.

Shaq won a le without a Hall of Famer...unless some moron was calling Kobe a Hall of Famer back in 2000

Jordan won a le without a Hall of Famer....unless some moron was calling Pippen a Hall of Famer back in 1991 He didn't even make the all-star team that year.

Kobe and Pippen built their resumes as their success continued and they got better after the first championship but don't even think they were HOF caliber teammates during that first le run. Gasol is in the exact position Pippen and Kobe were in back in the day. He was an all-star caliber player that was an important piece to a championship team. So, like Shaq and Jordan, Kobe won a championship with an all-star caliber player at his side. Trying to put Kobe on a pedestal for that is ridiculous.

[rAm]

Utter lunacy.

There have been plenty of freakish athletes in the NBA that never sniffed anywhere close to 30/7/7. LeBron has plenty of skill people continue to deny. He's a great passer. He's an improving jump shooter, and at the very least an adequate one in the NBA. He has become a very, very good defender. LeBron does not rely only on his athleticism. Sure, he uses it, but he has plenty of skill. Even if he loses some quickness, that doesn't mean he'll lose his strength at 30. And the kid does work on his game. He's not the fanatic Kobe is, but he still works on his game and is improving. Barring a career ending type injury, LeBron will be a dominant player in the league well into his mid 30s if he chooses to play that long.

And it's not like after you pass the age of 30 you go from elite athlete to horrible athlete. While there might be regression, it won't be as drastic as you suggest. When LeBron hits around the age of 32, maybe he'll go from freakish elite athlete to great athlete. You don't just completely become nonathletic because you're passed 30. It would be a better argument to say once a player hits around the ages of 34-35, they see a noticeable decline in athleticism and production. But, 30 is still prime years. Again, barring a career ending type injury, LeBron has a good 8-10 years of being dominant in the league.


LeBron is better than Kobe now. He's probably been better the last couple seasons. But, it's not like Kobe is a slouch. Saying LeBron is better only means he's the only one better than Kobe in the league. Kobe is still at least the second best player in the league, and on some nights, for some stretches of games, he plays better than LeBron. It's close. LeBron is more dominant physically. Kobe is still more skillful and probably still has the edge in mental toughness. I'll take LeBron for the first 44 minutes of the game, and then I'll take Kobe for the final 4 minutes.

I mean, is there any legit argument to counter this? because this is spot on.

[Native American]

It is a classic battle between lion and snake. The snake is deceptive and slippery, while the lion is mammoth and ferocious. While the snake strikes lethal, it is the lion who is able to capture the snake and mortally wound it. As the lion battles to mortally wound the snake, a hawk flies down to attack the lion seeing as it may be vulnerable. Then even though it's trapped in the jaws of the lion, the snake tears into the flesh of the hawk hen and injects its venom. More hawks fly down to attack the lion and the attacks are too much. The lion soon becomes motionless and won't even move its paws as it falls and drowns into the tall grass out of the picture of the landscape. Both predators fall. And when I say "lion and snake" of course I mean LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. And when I say "even though it's trapped in the jaws of the lion, the snake tears into the flesh of the hawk hen and injects its venom" I mean even after losing to LeBron, Kobe will tear into some ass, preferably teenage and white, and inject his mamba juice. And when I say "the lion soon becomes motionless and won't even move its paws as it falls and drowns into the tall grass out of the picture of the landscape" I mean after LeBron loses to the Hawks, he won't even shake hands and he'll avoid the media. It's quite the classic battle all right.

[DPG21920]

He is a lot more skilled than you give him credit for. His passing has nothing to do with his athleticism.

He is not as "skilled" offensively, but he is not a scrub.

I mean, is there any legit argument to counter this? because this is spot on.

I said it first, but his was longer and more in depth

[hater]

only a really sad pathetic delusional lakerfan would disagree with this.

Imagine how much of a massacre it would be if Lebron played with Artest,Gasol,Odom and coached by Phil jackson?????????

they would win at least 65 games on their way to 3 straight ships

[hater]

as much as it pains me as I am not a Lebron fan, it's not a question IF Lebron will win a championship, but how many? I say he will at least match Jordan's 6

[Nash2TimeMVp]

damn lebron is a ing good. his jumper looks so sweet when he releases the ball

[TheMACHINE]

as much as it pains me as I am not a Lebron fan, it's not a question IF Lebron will win a championship, but how many? I say he will at least match Jordan's 6

i say we wait till he gets over the hump first.

[TampaDude]

Kobe is a baller, no doubt, but his days of dominance are coming to an end. The 2010s will belong to LeBron. If LeBron gets the talent around him that Kobe has now, the Cavs will be unstoppable.

[JamStone]

I don't see why Kobe's days of dominance are coming to an end. I think he can be one of the top 5 dominant players in the league for a good 4 more years after this one. It's not like he's 35. He's still only 31 years old. He's still putting up 28 PPG. And, his work ethic in terms of keeping his body in top physical condition, as well as his insane determination to continue to improve his game and his compe ive nature all give strong indications that he will remain a dominant player in the league for several more years. Perhaps not "the" best player in the league, but still dominant.

[TheMACHINE]

nothing wrong being the #2 guy in the NBA.

[namlook]

Ultimately that really matters is the championships. Kobe and every Lakers fan will trade personal accolades for championships in a second.

[OceaNus]

[ezau]

For the sake of equality, I would say that all this talk about Lebron carrying a bunch of scrubs is getting real old now. Yes, he does'nt have a legitimate superstar by his side, but to be honest, the cast that Lebron has right now quite possibly has the best chemistry and fits Lebron's skillset. They are faaaaraway from being scrubs, so drop that and respect the Cavs role players. These are probably one of the toughest minded and physical teams out there. These Cavaliers has surpassed the Celtics in terms of defensive prowess.


Varejao, Hikcson and Shaq are nothing to sneeze at. They will not give you ESPN highlight plays but they body up, box out and hustle like no other. Mo Williams is not an All Star but he sure can hit the lights out. Same with boobie Gibson. And despite of his bi polar disorder, Delonte West IMO is that x-factor that turns momentum up another notch when Lebron is doing his amzingness. He's a momentum turner. IF they get a healthy Leon Powe then he's just icing on the cake.


Yes, Kobe's team is much more talented, thats undeniable, but the nitty gritty mentality does not exist with Gasol, Odom, Bynum and Luke Walton. Ron Artest has really not made much of a difference defensively,and he's such a downgrade compared to Ariza offensively. Fish has dead legs and his backups could not get a lot of burn, thanks to Phil Jackson.



Right now, Cleveland though an inferior team when it comes to talent will beat the Lakers 4 times out of 7 if they meet in June. Why? because the team has exhibit their hunger and passion to prove they belong in the upper echelon of le contenders.

Well said.

[namlook]

I've never seen so much made out of regular season games. Oh wait, I know why. It's because the Lakers lost . LOL. It's all people can grasp on to for some hope. The Lakers will make their statement in the playoffs. Wait and see.

[Smooth Criminal]

Who can seriously try to deny that LeBron is not the best player in the NBA today?

It's plain as day.

By saying he's the best, YOU deny he's not the best.

[namlook]

I agree Lebron is the best when Kobe is playing with injuries. When Kobe is healthy? Nope. Not yet.

Also as far as Lebron maintaining dominance past 30, another factor no one has mentioned is he is bow legged. Bow legged people suffer from more injuries and degradation in general. This condition puts him at higher risk of breaking down as he gets older.