What happened to Laker fans proclaiming Bynum to be the next great Laker?

[21_Blessings]

Put Bynum on a team with less offensive talent and he will be average or below.

No, he would be putting up Al Jefferson pre-ACL surgery numbers with better defense.

[Donkeybong]

It's funny seeing all these knee-jerk reactions due to this loss.

[21_Blessings]

I will be vindicated.

I'll guarantee that Bynum will not be moved before this year's trade deadline. If I'm wrong I won't post until the playoffs.

[j.dizzle]

It's funny seeing all these knee-jerk reactions due to this loss.

I can care less about one loss but when you see the same at ude for the whole season, then something has to be said.

[Baseline]

I've always thought Bynum was overrated, but the good thing is that he's still very young. It's not his fault that the Lakers overpaid him. They also overpaid Walton and Vujacic, so it's not like we haven't seen that before.

That said, you try being a big man on Kobe Bryant's team. It's no bargain.

It's hard to put up amazing numbers on 9 shots a game, especially when two or three of those shots are from offensive rebounds. Bryant has no patience for anybody but himself, so frankly I'm surprised that Bynum is doing as well as he is playing with Bryant.

[j.dizzle]

I've always thought Bynum was overrated, but the good thing is that he's still very young. It's not his fault that the Lakers overpaid him. They also overpaid Walton and Vujacic, so it's not like we haven't seen that before.

That said, you try being a big man on Kobe Bryant's team. It's no bargain.

It's hard to put up amazing numbers on 9 shots a game, especially when two or three of those shots are from offensive rebounds. Bryant has no patience for anybody but himself, so frankly I'm surprised that Bynum is doing as well as he is playing with Bryant.

My whole argument is that Bynum cares about offense more then defense..The only times he tries hard on D is when he scores points..He is lazy as when he doesnt get a lot of touches..All the Lakers need from him is what Boston gets from Perkins..Just play good D & rebound the ball but it seems like he wont do either if he doesnt score atleast 20 pts in a game

[21_Blessings]

My whole argument is that Bynum cares about offense more then defense..The only times he tries hard on D is when he scores points..He is lazy as when he doesnt get a lot of touches..All the Lakers need from him is what Boston gets from Perkins..Just play good D & rebound the ball but it seems like he wont do either if he doesnt score atleast 20 pts in a game

Except Bynum has been playing good D and rebounding despite his scoring. You want proof? Well advanced statistics prove it. So does the Lakers defensive rating.

You overreact to one game and ignore the 10 good ones. It's hilarious.

[milkshakeballa]

Except Bynum has been playing good D and rebounding despite his scoring. You want proof? Well advanced statistics prove it. So does the Lakers defensive rating.

You overreact to one game and ignore the 10 good ones. It's hilarious.

Its been proven the Lakers best defensive teams DO NOT include Bynum...so what in the are you talking about????

One bad game for every 10 good????


Try ten good games this year and the rest ing horrible....













21...get that of your chin homeboy.....

[21_Blessings]

Its been proven the Lakers best defensive teams DO NOT include Bynum...so what in the are you talking about????

Do you even know how defensive rating and efficiency even works? Bynum has played the 3rd most minutes on the Lakers and they are tops. Also have the lowest opp FG% which is a direct result of Bynum's altering shots. Learn how basketball works, kid.

[Ghazi]

Ok.....

But then you were cool with trading for two overrated players that currently are leading the Nets to a 3-38 record? Oakley by himself would have lead a lesser talented team to more wins than that.

you were sucking Harris's a few weeks ago

[milkshakeballa]

Do you even know how defensive rating and efficiency even works? Bynum has played the 3rd most minutes on the Lakers and they are tops. Also have the lowest opp FG% which is a direct result of Bynum's altering shots. Learn how basketball works, kid.

Sigh...

The Lakers best defensive lineup is as follows:

Farmar-Brown-Artest-Odom-Gasol 0.70 PPP

The Lakers 4 out of 5 WORST defensive lineups are as follows:

Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Bynum0.98 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum1.01 Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Gasol-Bynum1.04 Fisher-Bryant-Odom-Gasol-Bynum1.07 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol1.10

Bynum...whose played 62% of total minutes has a NET +/- of +186.

Gasol..whose only played 48% of the minutes already has a +/- of +209.

Odom, who has 65% of the minutes is at a +/- of + 229.

Lakers on offensive when each player is on the floor:

Odom 1.08 PPP
Gasol 1.15 PPP
Bynum 1.09 PPP

Defense:

Odom 0.98 PPP
Gasol 1.02 PPP
Bynum 1.02 PPP


Conclusion: The Lakers are by far a superior team when Bynum is NOT on the floor.













Get off Bynum's

[Banzai]

Sigh...

The Lakers best defensive lineup is as follows:

Farmar-Brown-Artest-Odom-Gasol 0.70 PPP

The Lakers 4 out of 5 WORST defensive lineups are as follows:

Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Bynum0.98 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum1.01 Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Gasol-Bynum1.04 Fisher-Bryant-Odom-Gasol-Bynum1.07 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol1.10

Bynum...whose played 62% of total minutes has a NET +/- of +186.

Gasol..whose only played 48% of the minutes already has a +/- of +209.

Odom, who has 65% of the minutes is at a +/- of + 229.

Lakers on offensive when each player is on the floor:

Odom 1.08 PPP
Gasol 1.15 PPP
Bynum 1.09 PPP

Defense:

Odom 0.98 PPP
Gasol 1.02 PPP
Bynum 1.02 PPP


Conclusion: The Lakers are by far a superior team when Bynum is NOT on the floor.













Get off Bynum's

damn son..god bless.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's not really that they're superior BECAUSE of Bynum being off, but I'd say it's because Odom is a better defender than both Bynum and Gasol, at least IMO..Odom impresses me as a defender much more than either Bynum or Gasol..

Bynum is just soft IMO..he's a great scorer, very impressive and polished footwork, great size..I don't think he fits as well with the Lakers though, since he isn't usually a top 2 option when Gasol is in the lineup, and rightfully so..he doesn't seem like a guy that can just come in and focus on D + rebounding like a Kendrick Perkins, and he probably shouldn't considering his talent level..

If I'm the Lakers, I would only look to trade him if a very good PG + picks are included in a deal..not a guy like Devin Harris though, he wouldn't fit IMO..

[DazedAndConfused]

It's not really that they're superior BECAUSE of Bynum being off, but I'd say it's because Odom is a better defender than both Bynum and Gasol, at least IMO..Odom impresses me as a defender much more than either Bynum or Gasol..

Bynum is just soft IMO..he's a great scorer, very impressive and polished footwork, great size..I don't think he fits as well with the Lakers though, since he isn't usually a top 2 option when Gasol is in the lineup, and rightfully so..he doesn't seem like a guy that can just come in and focus on D + rebounding like a Kendrick Perkins, and he probably shouldn't considering his talent level..

If I'm the Lakers, I would only look to trade him if a very good PG + picks are included in a deal..not a guy like Devin Harris though, he wouldn't fit IMO..

You never trade big for small.

Bynum will be fine, he's only 22.

[ezau]

Lakers down on Andrew Bynum

Andrew Bynum hasn't made enough progress this season to keep Lakers executives happy. Bynum has been such a disappointment, he's been made available on the trading block, two different Eastern Conference sources confirmed to me this week.

While Bynum's overall numbers are pretty good (15 ppg 8.4ppg, but he's been far too quiet most nights. Bynum has also struggled to perform along side talented teammate Pau Gasol.

A source confirmed to me this week that the Lakers have taken Bynum's name off the untouchable list and would deal him for a player that they feel will give them the best chance to win another championship this season.

Peter Vecsey tossed out Raptors star Chris Bosh's name last week. This is a longshot but I'm told told Bosh loves the idea of playing in Los Angeles.

A person in the know tossed out the idea of a blockbuster trade that would send Andrew Bynum back to his home state of New Jersey. In a multi-player deal the Lakers would end up with Brook Lopez and Devin Harris of the Nets.

http://benmaller.com/archives/2010/0...-andrew-bynum/

I think this is a fair trade. However, the Lakers are still going to be soft with a Gasol-Lopez frontcourt combo. The PG situation meanwhile will be fixed immediately by adding Harris into the the mix.

[Mike D]

I will be vindicated.

I'll guarantee that Bynum will not be moved before this year's trade deadline. If I'm wrong I won't post until the playoffs.

You're fine. Mitch can't trade him away unless a great deal is offered, and I don't foresee anything worth him.

A lot of people undervalue what he does for both Pau and Odom. He can be inconsistent, but he's young and coming off multiple knee injuries. All he needs is health and he will continue to grow.

[Allanon]

Bynum WILL be the next great Laker Center. He lacks the maturity and hard edge of a grown man like Shaq.

Only on the Lakers would Bynum's 15/10 be scoffed. We're spoiled with Shaq/Kareem.

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24. In fact, I think young Shaq was the last dominating Center at age 22.

By the time Bynum reaches 25, he'll be wiping the floor with Dwight.

Bynum >>> Lopez
Lopez is a decent center but his numbers are padded.

Lopez has shot over 100 more shots than Bynum and only leads him by only 3 points. And his defense is soft, look at the Nets record and how many points teams score on the Nets in the paint.

[Mike D]

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24. In fact, I think young Shaq was the last dominating Center at age 22.

I think you're off on this assessment of Howard. Howard did not suck, and has not sucked. Had holes in his game, struggled, had his inconsistencies from time to time? Yes. He's been the face of the franchise since he came into the league and the cornerstone in which the team was built around. Teams game planned to stop him and he was the focal point of opposing defenses after his first year or two. That's a far cry from the situation Drew came into, where he had a player at the top of the game to feed him easy points (and he still does in Kobe) and make the game easier.

At 22 Dwight Howard was averaging 20/14/1.3a/1s/2b.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...Tw28aHJSnzPKB4

Would Drew average better number than he currently does if he had more touches and poor rebounders around him as D12 does? Certainly. Would he be able to carry a team on the defensive end, on the glass, and still be good enough on offense to shoulder the burdens that come with being the number 1 guy? We can't say.

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Bynum WILL be the next great Laker Center. He lacks the maturity and hard edge of a grown man like Shaq.

Only on the Lakers would Bynum's 15/10 be scoffed. We're spoiled with Shaq/Kareem.

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24. In fact, I think young Shaq was the last dominating Center at age 22.

By the time Bynum reaches 25, he'll be wiping the floor with Dwight.

Bynum >>> Lopez
Lopez is a decent center but his numbers are padded.

Lopez has shot over 100 more shots than Bynum and only leads him by only 3 points. And his defense is soft, look at the Nets record and how many points teams score on the Nets in the paint.

i love the picture of the kardashians sisters.

[Allanon]

I think you're off on this assessment of Howard. Howard did not suck, and has not sucked. Had holes in his game, struggled, had his inconsistencies from time to time? Yes. He's been the face of the franchise since he came into the league and the cornerstone in which the team was built around. Teams game planned to stop him and he was the focal point of opposing defenses after his first year or two. That's a far cry from the situation Drew came into, where he had a player at the top of the game to feed him easy points (and he still does in Kobe) and make the game easier.

At 22 Dwight Howard was averaging 20/14/1.3a/1s/2b.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...Tw28aHJSnzPKB4

Would Drew average better number than he currently does if he had more touches and poor rebounders around him as D12 does? Certainly. Would he be able to carry a team on the defensive end, on the glass, and still be good enough on offense to shoulder the burdens that come with being the number 1 guy? We can't say.

When I say sucked, I mean it relatively. Similar to Bynum "sucking" while averaging 15/10.

Dwight has never actually sucked in the literal sense until last year, it was always "if only Dwight did this or did that or learned this or learned that".

Bynum doesn't suck either..he's actually pretty good, I just know he can be a uva alot better.

Like I said, by the time Bynum reaches 25, he'll be owning the Center spot.

[Allanon]

i love the picture of the kardashians sisters.

I'm glad you liked it, I gotta make up some more

[Cry Havoc]

at a thread where Laker fan calls people and other Laker fan stupid for disagreeing with him.

[himat]

Hey Bynum all I need from you today is 16 points and 5 rebounds to win my matchup in my fantasy league. Can you please stop being a **** and do that for me? Thank you.

[Goran Dragic]

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24.

Dwight Howard turned 24 a little over a month ago, I wasn't aware he sucked up until that point.

[TJastal]

Bynum's problem is he is pretty damn good and proved it earlier this year when Gasoft was nursing his hamstring and now that his counterpart in the paint is back his numbers are way down again and he's pouting. His ego can't handle it.

If he was a team player that was primarily concerned about winning or even an honorable one that wanted to live up to the contract he signed, he would suck it up and give it 100%. He's not, thus the lazy pouty indifference.

And the rest of the league thanks you, Drew.