Captain Kirk To The Lakers?

[21_Blessings]

Not worried about the shooting percentage. Rose isn't a playmaker and no one on that team is worth a double team. In LA, he'd be getting Fisher's wide-open looks.

Hinrich can't even get himself an open look anymore. How is a 38% shooter going to get Fisher open looks? Teams won't be double teaming him and he doesn't penetrate nearly as well as he did eariler in his career. 83% of Hinrich's shots are jumpers. Compare that to 75% with Farmar. Jordan can penetrate defenses with his speed and kick it out. Hinrich is more of a spot up shooter now.

Next, he does defend better than Farmar (who doesn't). And what's missing is he's a good passer. So many points LA loses because Fisher can't throw an entry pass worth .

Hinrich defending quick point-guards better than Farmar is a thing of the past. I can back this is up as well if you want. Farmar's defense is much improved this season compared to last and in no way bad. I can point to specific games where Farmar did a stand up job on Brooks and Deron (which was a first for Farmar in his career). Also opponent point guards only shooting efg 43%.


2 years ago it would have been a no brainer with Hinrich. But he's declining even as I type this.

[2Cleva]

Hinrich can't even get himself an open look anymore. How is a 38% shooter going to get Fisher open looks? Teams won't be double teaming him and he doesn't penetrate nearly as well as he did eariler in his career. 83% of Hinrich's shots are jumpers. Compare that to 75% with Farmar. Jordan can penetrate defenses with his speed and kick it out. Hinrich is more of a spot up shooter now.

Neither can Fisher. Fisher got looks off the offense and what others did. A spot up shooter is exactly what LA needs - shooting wise.

As for the Jordan comparison - when does he ever kick it out? Farmar is always looking for his own shot.

Hinrich defending quick point-guards better than Farmar is a thing of the past. I can back this is up as well if you want. Farmar's defense is much improved this season compared to last and in no way bad. I can point to specific games where Farmar did a stand up job on Brooks and Deron (which was a first for Farmar in his career). Also opponent point guards only shooting efg 43%.

Farmar's improved D still sucks. Its the help behind him that keeps his (and Fishers) opponent EFG lower.

2 years ago it would have been a no brainer with Hinrich. But he's declining even as I type this.

He's declining? LOL. You're out the loop. LA won't do it for all last years but if they can dump Sasha its a done deal.

[Allanon]

So the Lakers should get a guy getting paid $5 million more than Fish so he can shoot 1% better on regular shots and 2% less on 3 pointers?

35 year old Fish has only missed 8 games since 2002
29 year old Hinrich has missed 52 games since 2002

Hinrich has already missed like 5 games this year and we're only halfway through.

How does this make sense?

No disrespect Laker guys but I'll never understand this Lakers infatuation with Hinrich (yeah, I've heard it for like 3 years now).

[21_Blessings]

Neither can Fisher. Fisher got looks off the offense and what others did. A spot up shooter is exactly what LA needs - shooting wise.

Hinrich isn't a very good spot shooter either. And Lakers already have 2.

As for the Jordan comparison - when does he ever kick it out? Farmar is always looking for his own shot.

He's been looking for his own shot much more this year than previous. Phil Jackson is giving him crunch time minutes. He's playing at a higher confidence level. Looks like that's by design.

Farmar does get shot happy. But Fisher and Brown suffer from the same disease. Acting like Farmar never kicks it out is pretty inaccurate though. He definitely does penetrate and kick on a consistent basis and has the ability to create off the dribble.

Farmar's improved D still sucks. Its the help behind him that keeps his (and Fishers) opponent EFG lower.

You have a point with Derek Fisher, but not as much with Farmar. Fisher plays literally all of minutes with Bynum/Gasol or Odom and Kobe out there. Farmar has played many of his minutes with the 2nd unit and during garbage time.

He's declining? LOL. You're out the loop. LA won't do it for all last years but if they can dump Sasha its a done deal.

They won't do it with Farmar or Brown is probably a more apt description. As I pointed out no one wants Sasha - including Chicago. Can't wait for the trade deadline to be over.

[Allanon]

As for Point Guard defense, the last 5 point guards to see the Chicago Bulls:

Tony Parker, 20 points
Aaron Brooks, 20 points
Steve Nash, 8 points
Baron Davis, 23 points
Randy Foye, 22 points

So 36 year old Steve Nash was the only PG of the lot that didn't go off for 20+. Was this ty defense on Hinrich or DRose?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hinrich is one of the many overrated, overhyped products of stick Chicago journalism that overhypes all of the players they draft. We're still waiting for this guy's inevitable"breakout year", and just like Eddie Curry, Tyson Chandler, Ben Gordon, and Luol Deng, we'll be waiting next year and the year after that.

[RedsLakers24]

As for Point Guard defense, the last 5 point guards to see the Chicago Bulls:

Tony Parker, 20 points
Aaron Brooks, 20 points
Steve Nash, 8 points
Baron Davis, 23 points
Randy Foye, 22 points

So 36 year old Steve Nash was the only PG of the lot that didn't go off for 20+. Was this ty defense on Hinrich or DRose?

Hinrich guards the SG, Rose Guards the PG.

[TheMACHINE]

I thought hinrich did a good job guarding Kobe the last time they played.

[21_Blessings]

I thought hinrich did a good job guarding Kobe the last time they played.

The Lakers are fine at SG and don't need another.

[TheMACHINE]

The Lakers are fine at SG and don't need another.

i never knew you liked Sasha so much

[Andrew Bynum]

What do you think the Lakers should do at PG after this season 21?

[Allanon]

Hinrich guards the SG, Rose Guards the PG.

Thanks for clarifying this, Red....I don't really watch the Bulls.

If that is the case, why would the Lakers want him when they have Kobe, Shannon and Sasha at SG?

[Andrew Bynum]

Thanks for clarifying this, Red....I don't really watch the Bulls.

If that is the case, why would the Lakers want him when they have Kobe, Shannon and Sasha at SG?

Cause he's a PG who's playing SG cause the Bulls have a really good PG.

[21_Blessings]

i never knew you liked Sasha so much

If Mitch can dump Sasha + Ammo for Hinrich then he's the best GM that ever lived. Literally.

[Allanon]

Cause he's a PG who's playing SG cause the Bulls have a really good PG.

That's the odd thing then. If Hinrich is the defensive specialist that can play either position, why isn't he guarding guys like Brooks, Parker, BDiddy, Nash, Foye.

All those guys (except Nash) lit up Derrick Rose for 20+ points, why didn't they switch their defensive specialist Hinrich onto them?

The Lakers already get lit up for 20+ points by other point guards at Fisher's $5 million, would Hinrich's $10 million change that for the Lakers if he can't even do it for the Bulls?

[RedsLakers24]

That's the odd thing then. If Hinrich is the defensive specialist that can play either position, why isn't he guarding guys like Brooks, Parker, BDiddy, Nash, Foye.

All those guys (except Nash) lit up Derrick Rose for 20+ points, why didn't they switch their defensive specialist Hinrich onto them?

The Lakers already get lit up for 20+ points by other point guards at Fisher's $5 million, would Hinrich's $10 million change that for the Lakers if he can't even do it for the Bulls?

thats because Rose cant guard SG, he is too weak so they have to put Hinrich on the opponents SG

[Andrew Bynum]

That's the odd thing then. If Hinrich is the defensive specialist that can play either position, why isn't he guarding guys like Brooks, Parker, BDiddy, Nash, Foye.

All those guys (except Nash) lit up Derrick Rose for 20+ points, why didn't they switch their defensive specialist Hinrich onto them?

The Lakers already get lit up for 20+ points by other point guards at Fisher's $5 million, would Hinrich's $10 million change that for the Lakers if he can't even do it for the Bulls?

All of those players aside from Foye are the best or second best players on their teams, so going for 20 points flat really ain't that big a surprise. Kirk Hinrich is not a shutdown guy guarding PGs, but he's far and away better than Fisher or Farmar. And there aren't that many better option for PG going forward that I know of, that's why a lot of Laker fans want him. I'd only do it if Sasha is involved and that's probably a long shot.

[RsxPiimp]

I'd only do it if Sasha is involved and that's probably a long shot.

You're not the GM. BTW, stop playing like a pussy tonight.

[21_Blessings]

thats because Rose cant guard SG, he is too weak so they have to put Hinrich on the opponents SG

Hinrich was guarding Wade in the playoffs long before Derrick Rose was ever drafted. He hasn't been quick enough to defend point guards for a couple years now.

[Smooth Criminal]

I think that wouldn't be a good move.

Derek Fisher: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, lots of experience in playoffs.

Kirk Hinrich: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, little experience in playoffs.

Are you new?

[Andrew Bynum]

You're not the GM. BTW, stop playing like a pussy tonight.

, shut the up. I dropped 27 on 12-14 shooting and 12 boards. If that's playing like a pussy I'm going to be a ing BEAST in a few years.

[Smooth Criminal]

If the Lakers get Hinrich, then they would have almost no flaws on defense to exploit. So, why do the Bulls do this to make the Lakers unstoppable?

Because they have no le chances anyway? Why should they care? They just need cap space for 2010.