I'm tired of Jefferson he sucks
hmmm. Didn't get to watch or hear the game...but the outcome didn't suprise me.
Thanks for the break down. Not being suprised by the outcome is the saddest truth many of us are having to face this season.
I agree with timvp...no trade at this point is going to "fix" this team if what was said about Duncan, Parker and Ginobili to be true.
After you posted this, I went back to check on games, because I clearly remember a game Billups single handedly destroyed us, scoring like 20+ points in like only 7 shots. That game was last season:
But Tony was actually out of that game, which is something I didn't remember. I stand corrected then...
This is one we can't pin on Tony except if we blame the loss on him not being there. This team has so many glaring weaknesses it's not even funny. No execution late in the game which has happened with Tony, handling the ball, Manu handling the ball, going through Duncan. Same results, no baskets, then the team goes back down and get a basket or goes to the line. The biggest thing for this team is that Pop keeps messing with the lineups and then he does it at the wierdest times. After a shaky homestand he does it again for no apparent reason that I can see. Putting Bonner and Finley into the rotation, starting Mason. He keeps jerking those chains.
It appears there are many ways to lose on purpose without even knowing it's being done or able to prove it's happening.
Are you alluding to Bonner and Finley's minutes??? Bonner did sumthim' at least, Finley was Finley (crap offense crap defense, Pop's favorite son!)
It's now completely clear that the Spurs' fortunes this season are going to hinge on the performance of McDyess and Jefferson. If Bonner and Blair can't get minutes from McDyess as well as they played and as bad as Dice was then it's pretty plain that the Spurs are throwing their fortunes in with him. And Jefferson was just abysmal on the defensive end. Hope he pulls his head out before it's too late.
How was Jefferson the one drawing your ire? If anything, Hill was the abysmal one.
Once again, this was a contending team that the Spurs played. Yet they failed miserably. Imagine how bad this loss would've been had the Nuggets had Carmelo Anthony.
We're roughly at the halfway point of the season. The losses are mounted and the excuses are running out. I don't know what else can be done to improve the team's chances this year, but the options aren't plenty.
The FO sold out, wholeheartedly, to keep the championship hopes alive for the next 2 seasons and should be commended for it. However, it's starting to look like that gamble that isn't going to pay dividends.
Moreover, it's quite possible the window has already slammed shut on this team. If Duncan is fading, Manu has alreeady faded and Parker hobbled, this team is done - not just for this season either.
At some point, the FO and us fans are going to have to face reality that this era is rapidly closing, if it's not already. A first-round playoff exit be dammed. If the Spurs aren't good enough to secure a top-four seed, I'd rather take see them take their chances in the lottery. I'd much rather see a rapid rebuild than see them floundering around .500 and struggle for an eight spot in the playoffs. A team can get caught up on a "treadmill of mediocrity" for years. There's absolutely no joy, whatsoever, in seeing a team that's old, expensive, and slow lose games on a regular basis. I'd rather have youth and hope.
Tony Parker would have given Billups medicine right back to him had he been playing. It was big not having anyone to match Chaunceys PG production.
Saying that, if the Spurs play the Nuggets in the playoffs Melo will violate Jefferson so hard Luke Walton will wake up with a yeast infection.
i only read timvp's final thoughts
his initial reactions are too pops for my liking
Bonner was decent concur.
But why at the expense of Blairs minutes?
I refer back to that 4-5 game stretch where Pooped did start Blair alongside Duncan and we ran off 4-5 wins. Granted they were against some patsies, but Blair delivered consistently and Timmy Dunkar looked completely reenergized.
Dumbassovich ended all that vs Utah and basically ever since then.
Mrs. Finleyovich it's long since passed any and all basketball reasons. Either they have a relationship outside the court and/or Poop has sold out for money to whomever. Repeat, it is long since not a basketball issue, that is redundant and obvious that Finley has been unable to hang since the 2007 Finals.
nuggets shot 52 percent
everyone bangs on tp d
he did not play today
so I GUESS HE IS NOT THE ONE THAT CAN NOT PLAY D HUH
at least he contributed on the other end
with a continually injured parker, a shadow of ginobili, duncan slowing, jefferson not improving, and the role players playing like the 2009 first round exit, while this deep into the season, nothing but a trade would help this team to contend. this will be the first time this season, i don't believe the spurs can contend. and i won't stop believing it until they make a trade. this team, as is, cannot go to the finals.
spurs desperately need the all star parker back.
duncan can't carry this team anymore. he's more suited as the second option now. having him consistently as the first option will wear him down like last year and maybe again this year.
jefferson is not improving in the system. spurs can't afford to give him a year to adjust.
i really don't trust mason and bonner will deliver in the playoffs as they severely choked in last season's playoffs.
and as for ginobili, i think he's done. his shooting has become horribly inefficient. his passing is still there, but it's time for ginobili to hang up as one of the big three and revert into a role player. he should be someone who makes smart and steady passes, shoots the open jumper, and plays defense. he's no manu ginobili anymore.
spurs need a trade for a third scoring option that would fill ginobili and jefferson's lack of scoring. parker, if healthy, can still be the primary scorer but spurs need, not a good but a great, two way player to even come close to a championship.
i still advocate a trade for iguodala and dalembert if necessary to acquire iguodala. if it means giving up ginobili, then so be it.
Everyone must agree with this, especially after the BOS/LA game. I know it's hard sometimes for the Spurs to get real physical, since it seems to me they always get ticky tack calls against them compared when teams like BOS/LA play each other. There is a severe lack of toughness, which could stem from a lot of things...which is not to say that our team isn't trying or talened enough to get the job done, but I firmly believe there's a mental block or acute glitch in this machine.
Last year, we did more with less. Games were either won in the finals seconds or total blowouts against us...and this season we can't win close games, IMPORTANT games, even though we sometimes blow out inferior teams. I'm not feeling the magic, there is something misfiring on our team and someone needs to get to the bottom of it before we sink further.
Hill's a backup point guard who got a of a matchup and did pretty well with it. People weren't scoring because he was standing around. I'll take Billups shooting 7-15 in 45 minutes of floortime just about any day. He held his own, which is really all you can ask of him.
Jefferson is supposed to be playing like a starter, and he was so bad in stretches it's like he was just waiting for them to score so he could take the ball out of bounds. Seriously, who DIDN'T hit a three when RJ was supposed to be covering him?
I also think the strategy of limiting players' minutes needs to be scrapped. The Spurs are healthy and they're fading despite the careful attempts to keep them fresh. That smacks of weakness. If Pop's going to shorten his rotation, he needs to give two or three guys 40-45 minutes every night. The Spurs haven't played with any kind of for ude in years, and I have no faith in their ability to show maturity, so what they need is some battle-hardening.
dude i honestly don't see a single player on the roster you can give that much playing time to
Guys like:Everyone must agree with this, especially after the BOS/LA game. I know it's hard sometimes for the Spurs to get real physical, since it seems to me they always get ticky tack calls against them compared when teams like BOS/LA play each other. There is a severe lack of toughness, which could stem from a lot of things...which is not to say that our team isn't trying or talened enough to get the job done, but I firmly believe there's a mental block or acute glitch in this machine.
Last year, we did more with less. Games were either won in the finals seconds or total blowouts against us...and this season we can't win close games, IMPORTANT games, even though we sometimes blow out inferior teams. I'm not feeling the magic, there is something misfiring on our team and someone needs to get to the bottom of it before we sink further.
- Bonner
- Mason
- Finley
- Jefferson
Will play hard, but are simply not physical players. You can't pretend this team to play one way when they simply don't have that makeup. I think this is one of the aspects a trade should cover. If we trade for somebody, it cannot be somebody that you can tack into this list.
After a game in which DeJuan Blair logged ten points in 11 minutes, my only response is: Are you serious?
I guess this is why the Spurs are ing doomed. We've all been duped into believing that they're cupcakes that have to be babied in order to be ready for the postseason when they look to be incapable of digging deep and showing anything.
Chauncey Billups just played 45 minutes and he's the same age as Duncan. The Nuggets have two other good point guards on the team and a starter out injured. George Karl wasn't thinking about keeping Billups rested, he was thinking about winning the game.
When I replied, I was thinking that DeJuan Blair, all things considered, would be the only one worth playing a load of minutes....but call me a pussy but if I'm coach no way I play a rookie testing out his first nba season that kind of minutes who has a potential knee issue. You have to see how he handles his first season...he's a rookie.
It can't be Tim man, the dude just cannot handle it...you know this as well as we.
Manu playing that kind of minutes is useless, he sucks after minute 24 or so.
Parker is the same as Manu this season.
RJ could probably handle that work load, but do you really want his suckass out there that much in the game?
Who would you play that much time?
At the very least, I want to keep a lineup that has been torching the other team to stay there until the run is over. Sometimes we make a 10-0 run, then Pop calls a TO and changes the entire team. It's like a WTF moment...
It depends in large part upon who's playing well. Too many times have I seen Pop reward the opposing coach for calling timeout during a Spurs run. You see the Spurs go on a 14-2 run and when they come back from commercial the guy who scored half those points is on the bench, along with the guy who passed the ball to him for most of those baskets.
Perhaps it's less of a question of total minutes and more a question of being able to play heavy minutes without a break. It's almost like the Spurs are overcompensating for riding Parker so hard at the beginning of last season, but the more I think about it, the surer I am that being so tentative with these players makes them play tentatively. I'd like, if nothing else, to see Duncan and Ginobili and Blair get 20 minutes each in the first half of a game a few times. If they can't respond to a little adversity now, does it really matter how rested they are in the playoffs when they have the same inability to dig deep?
True
didn't think of it like that
but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, the thing that sucks balls is that we know coaches rarely change their tendencies...and we're talkin about Gregg freakin Popavich here....he has his championships, I really don't think we'll ever see him try something new in regards to playing time and time outs.
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