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There will be probably a 2nd trade where the Mavs trade their TE from the Humphries trade for one of Oberto/Young/Mcgee.
So the Wiz can save a lot of money and LT. They also get rid of the useless Stevenson with 5mio next year.
ummm.
not only is this a great trade for the Mavs, they close the gap to the Lakers, it could also turn into a disaster trade for us, if we play the Mavs again in the PO.
you don't want to have Haywood cover Tim. (he will be a much tougher defender for Tim than Dampier). and even if Josh Howard always did a lot of damage to the Spurs, you also don't want to meet Caron Butler with Jefferson virtually the only option to guard him. Butler is a so much better passer and ball handler than JH, I'm really not looking forward to face all the plays the Mavs can run with him and Dirk, that JH couldn't.
Mavs have been a bad match up for us for years. with this trade the match ups turn even worse.
and as someone mentioned, a TT+Salmons addition makes even more sense looking at those match ups.
(I would feel much better with the option of TT guarding Dirk and Salmons guarding Butler)
There will be probably a 2nd trade where the Mavs trade their TE from the Humphries trade for one of Oberto/Young/Mcgee.
So the Wiz can save a lot of money and LT. They also get rid of the useless Stevenson with 5mio next year.
possible. but I doubt it will be a young talent like McGee or Young. Oberto to Mavs to reduce lux tax makes sense. (he would be waived by the Mavs I assume)
ahhhhh dude are you fo'reals! if the Mavs get Butler and Haywood that would be uber gheyness. Lets hope this misses up like there Kobe deal did a couple years ago. I hate those goblins, BTW death to anything Mav!!!
At least some teams have the balls to try to improve their team. Damn, and I hate Cuben more then anyone in basketball.
Got to give him props here if he gets it done though.
lets hope they will lost all their chemistry with this trade while we win better chemistry staying together......
Drew Gooden must have a salary and skill level that just makes him tradebait. If it werent for all the millions he earns, I feel kinda sorry that he hasnt settled into one team. Hes not a great player but he is pretty darn good, works hard, seems to be a nice guy and well behaved citizen (as opposed to that doper Howard), anyway, good luck to him, he did a pretty good job as a Spur.
Pretty much a done deal as per BSPN...
Should make Dallas more dangerous on paper. Lets see how they play once together..
Z would be cut & allowed to go back to the cavs after 30 days.
Butler is a marginal upgrade over Howard at best and I don't think Haywood is really deserving of all the trade deadline hype he has been getting around here lately. The Spurs actually did put out feelers for Butler last year, but didn't want to give up Manu to get him. I'm not really for Spurs/Wizards deal and having a defeatist at ude about any trade another team makes is the wrong approach. The only deal for the Spurs that has any legs is the one for Thomas. Thomas would give the Spurs a long, athletic "tweener" who would, hopefully, be a big help defending guys like Odom, Nowitzki or Anthony and have the quickness to give opponent's bigs a headache trying to defend him. However, I don't think we should give up a whole lot to get Thomas either. If we don't settle into a firm rotation and start playing championship d, none of this matters anyway.
+1
could say the same about his time as a mav.
but his expiring contract is needed to make the salaries match.
maybe he will be waived, but i doubt it.
if the butler/haywood trade happens, the mavs will have two open roster spots. oberto could take one as a back up center, while dampier isn't fully healthy. he would be an insurance as a third center on the mavs roster (should be better suited as center than najera)
The spurs have to make a move now. The spurs defense was good this past game, but it has to go back to the twin tower look. Duncan and somebody who is an athletic 6-10(TThomas/TMurphy) or a 7-0 guy who simply takes up space in the lane(Nesterovic/Dalembert). When Pop plays small ball its way easier to get to the basket when you have the only big out there (Duncan) away from the basket trying to help on a pick n roll. With no backline help its impossible to defend the rim. All the good teams use 2 bigs TOGETHER. Lakers - Bynum 7-1/Gasol7-0/Odom6-10 Cavs - Shaq7-1/Varejo6-11/BigZ7-3 Nuggets - Martin6-10/Nene6-11/Birdman6-11 Celtics - KG7-0/Perkins6-10/Sheed6-11 Hawks - Shorter but more atheltic - Josh Smith6-9/Horford6-10/Pachulia6-11. An Then the Spurs - Duncan6-11/Mcdyess6-9/Blair6-7. What wrong with that picture?!!!!
Caron is just a slight upgrade from howard...and haywood is overhyped.
Yes and No IMO. Howard has length, but can be an idiot. Butler seems to be a good solid player you wont get any problems out of. He can also do the same exact things Howard does. Haywood IMO, is a huge pickup!!! He is Dampier 2.0 and younger if my memory serves me right. He has a better offensive game from what I remember too. We (Spurs) gotta do something to clean up the mess we have at the SF and C position.
Getting Gortat/Pietrus from the Magic would be nice. You get a Center who can produce in limited minutes and takes up space in the paint. In Pietrus you get a Wing scorer/defender who is 28 and is still athletic and has a solid 3pt shot. Both of them would cost about $5.5million each. From what I hear the Magic would like to move Gortat; Pietrus may be a difficult acquistion, but with Carter balling and Red playing pretty well they may be willing to deal.
Ugh! We need a nice trade like this...
I agree Haywood may be a little overhyped, but he's a damn good center and a piece dallas has been looking for for the past decade. He has the strength and defensive ability Dampier has, but also has a tight game in the post as well. Solid trade for the mavs. Im exciting to see this lineup on the floor..
Kidd
Butler
Marion
Dirk
Haywood
with terry, thomas, damp, and roddy comming off the bench. Thats a damn good lineup. Ill put the starting lineup over anyone except maybe Cleveland and Boston.
Great upgrade if Dallas pulls this off without having to part with Rodrigue. Talent wise it's probably a lateral move -- though Haywood does provides a bit more punch (but not much) than Damps who has been playing decently in a contract year. But fit wise Dallas brings in a relatively more stable player in Butler and gets rid of its proverbial cancer. I also don't see the drop in talent from Howard to Butler as that significant.
How many people have I seen call Caron a marginal upgrade over Josh Howard?
Josh howard has been HORRIBLE this year. it makes me miss last years version of Josh, which ing sucked as well...
The reason Haywood got all of the hype around here is because he fit our team's biggest need: a tall, good rebounding, good shot-blocking, good post-defending, not offensively challenged big man.
Agreed - I still say that RJ for expirings was the right move to make - it just didn't work out. Credit to the FO and ownership for having the balls to take a chance (a decidedly BAMA move in Spurstalk vernacular).
But I think the only way the Spurs do it is if they can get rid of RJ. Manu + RJ gives philly 9.5 million in savings next year plus they would not necessarily pay the lux tax and get a refund depending on the other moves they make. After next year, it would save Philly and additional 44 million.
I doubt that Philly would want another undersized PF, but with his Penn ties Blair might be the exception. Hill + Splitter lets them start rebuilding.
For the Spurs I think this would necessitate another move though - even in his current state losing Manu would be tough to overcome given how clutch he is in the playoffs.
What you fail to realize is this though, as horrible as you say he's been, everytime he plays the Spurs..he's like Michael freakin' Jordan out there. He ALWAYS plays well against the Spurs...so this might be a blessing in disguise for the Spurs. The Spurs killers are gone...first it was Harris, Diop, and now Howard. All that's left is Dirk and Terry..
I'll defer to your assessment as to whether Howard has been horrible or not. Living in the DC-area and watching the Wiz regularly, I'm confident in my assessment that folks are overrating Butler's talent with respect to this trade. I'm not arguing that he is not a good player (he is), but don't look at his stats and forget that he was "the guy" for the Wiz for most of the last two season.
I still think that a "motivated" Howard > Butler. My point is that the trade is still an upgrade for Dallas because the team gets rid of a player that for whatever reason has decided to squander his talent by (1) not caring, (2) causing off the court distractions from time to time, and/or (3) generally being lazy.
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