Jackson, Rivers criticize Cavs' deal

[monosylab1k]

exactly.....sometimes you hit em, sometimes you miss em. Whats your point again?

What's yours?

[TheNextGen]

That means nothing, Laker Fan, his NBA trade value was that of a 2nd round draft/stash pick who played ZERO MINUTES OF NBA BASKETBALL.

That's bull cuz West traded Divac for some high school kid named Kobe Bryant. Sorry mono, but you're trying to base a trade on current value without thinking of future implications.

[TheMACHINE]

That's bull cuz West traded Divac for some high school kid named Kobe Bryant. Sorry mono, but you're trying to base a trade on current value without thinking of future implications.

[monosylab1k]

That's bull cuz West traded Divac for some high school kid named Kobe Bryant. Sorry mono, but you're trying to base a trade on current value without thinking of future implications.

Kobe was a mid 1st round selection at the time of the trade. Divac was a decent but unspectacular player. Trades like that happen all the time.

Do you understand that the value of a lottery pick is significantly higher than a late 1st round pick, which is significantly higher than a 2nd round pick?

Try again.

[TheNextGen]

Kobe was a mid 1st round selection at the time of the trade. Divac was a decent but unspectacular player. Trades like that happen all the time.

Try again.

and what was Pau Gasol exactly? A player who couldn't win a playoff game traded for capspace and a young center without a big contract.

[monosylab1k]

and what was Pau Gasol exactly? A player who couldn't win a playoff game traded for capspace and a young center without a big contract.

Trying to put Gasol on the same level as Divac is just obtuse. You're reaching badly.

[TheMACHINE]

Kobe was a mid 1st round selection at the time of the trade. Divac was a decent but unspectacular player. Trades like that happen all the time.

Do you understand that the value of a lottery pick is significantly higher than a late 1st round pick, which is significantly higher than a 2nd round pick?

Try again.

Who gives a about value...they're trying to dump capspace. At the end, the numbers work...so its legit. Each team got exactly what they want.

[hater]

LMAO lakerfan still having to defend the Gasol trade

[monosylab1k]

Who gives a about value...they're trying to dump capspace.

That explains the subsequent Mike Miller trade.

[TheNextGen]

Trying to put Gasol on the same level as Divac is just obtuse. You're reaching badly.

Gasol accomplished practically the same amount of success then Divac did at the time.

[TheMACHINE]

LMAO lakerfan still having to defend the Gasol trade

LOL butthurt Spursfan cant argue why it was unfair.

[monosylab1k]

Gasol accomplished practically the same amount of success then Divac did at the time.

ok

LeBron and Jason Terry have both lost in the NBA Finals. They've accomplished practically the same amount of success.

LeBron = Jason Terry

gotcha

[j.dizzle]

LOL CIA POP still butt hurt but says he isnt to the media now. BTW how come Spurs didnt make any trades for a big to play by Duncan? Blair is a good player but how is he supposed to guard Dirk or Haywood?

[ambchang]

Marc Gasol had little upside back then, because he was simply known as the fat brother of Pau Gasol. The reason he made a vast improvement this year was because he whipped himself in shape. Back then, the trade was viewed mainly as a salary dump, and the Grizzlies were not the only team that could offer that.

Further proof of the value Marc Gasol had back then:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/08020...ofthedeal.html

The Grizzlies weren't going anywhere with Gasol and are already firmly in rebuilding mode. They get some salary cap space with Kwame's expiring contract. On the court, they get the benefit of Kwame's defensive prowess. They also get Javaris Crittenton, who has shown immense promise in his limited time on the court. With the development of Jordan Farmar, he has been pushed to the background, perhaps more than was envisioned when he was drafted last summer. While the Grizzlies already have 3 point guards in Conley, Jr., Navarro and Lowry, they are all shorter point guards and Javaris with his height will bring a different dimension to their point guard mix. The Grizzlies also get 1st round picks in 2008 and 2010.

Notice the lack of mention of the potential of Marc Gasol. He was thrown in as an afterthought.

Here is another article written back then:
http://www.dailycampus.com/2.7439/la...rade-1.1055344

For a struggling organization such as Memphis, the front office will often trade its highest-paid players for less expensive, younger ones hoping for a stronger team in the future. However, the outcome of this transaction will not improve the team, even after the 2010 draft. There are only two ways this team will improve from where it is now to 2010.

First, each of its first round draft picks (not the two from L.A.) from 2008, 2009 and 2010 need to be top-10 selections. That gives the Grizzlies at least two first round picks in 2008 and 2010, pending more trades before then.

Second, the Grizzlies need to acquire a true veteran who is willing to work with younger players. That doesn't seem too likely at the moment, since Memphis is on the "our only chance of getting to the playoffs depends on ticket availability" tier of the Western Conference - also known as the "our chance of getting to the playoffs is as good as Greg Oden's chance of being asked for identification when purchasing alcohol" tier. Veterans tend to go to le-contending teams anyway - a group Memphis has never been a part of.

Again, Marc Gasol wasn't even in the discussion when talking about young talent.

Stop rewritting history.

[ambchang]

and what was Pau Gasol exactly? A player who couldn't win a playoff game traded for capspace and a young center without a big contract.

Why is it Gasol's fault that the Grizzlies can't win a playoff game? Fact that he carried that coarpse of a team to the playoffs was reason enough that Gasol is a fantastic player.

Is he on the same level as a Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Duncan or Nowitzki? Of course not, but he was far and away more valuable than a bunch of scrubs, picks and cap relief.

Bosh can't even carry the much more talented Raptors past the 1st round in the weak Eastern Conference. Would you trade him for scrubs, low 1st round draft picks and cap space?

[TheMACHINE]

Sorry Spurs Fans....i totally forgot why you guys were so butt hurt about this trade...cuz we eliminated you in 2008. I understand completely now.

But id figure you should be more mad at Sasha for owning Manu...o well.

[TheMACHINE]

Bosh can't even carry the much more talented Raptors past the 1st round in the weak Eastern Conference. Would you trade him for scrubs, low 1st round draft picks and cap space?

Yes. If i wanted to rebuild my team.

[TheNextGen]

Why is it Gasol's fault that the Grizzlies can't win a playoff game? Fact that he carried that coarpse of a team to the playoffs was reason enough that Gasol is a fantastic player.

Is he on the same level as a Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Duncan or Nowitzki? Of course not, but he was far and away more valuable than a bunch of scrubs, picks and cap relief.

Bosh can't even carry the much more talented Raptors past the 1st round in the weak Eastern Conference. Would you trade him for scrubs, low 1st round draft picks and cap space?

If Duncan, Manu or Parker isn't working out, I'd definately do it in hope of landing a free agent.

[VBM]

Sorry Spurs Fans....i totally forgot why you guys were so butt hurt about this trade...cuz we eliminated you in 2008. I understand completely now.

But id figure you should be more mad at Sasha for owning Manu...o well.

I'm more mad at you guys letting KG win a ring in 08...that %#$^^$

[j.dizzle]

I'm more mad at you guys letting KG win a ring in 08...that %#$^^$

Son, dont worry him & his team will go down as 1 hit wonders. He can barely move & jump now..He played hard though yesterday for obvious reasons.

[VBM]

Son, dont worry him & his team will go down as 1 hit wonders. He can barely move & jump now..He played hard though yesterday for obvious reasons.

You don't understand though...I would have loved nothing more than to see him go ring-less. He trashtalks like no-one else even though he let the one and only Zaza Pachulia punk his ass. The whole "anything is possible" rant honestly killed any joy I had of LA getting destroyed in the clinching game...

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[milkshakeballa]

#1) LOL @ people STILL talking about this like its going to change anything. Collusion or not the Lakers have Gasol ES!!!

#2) Just because the media doesn't mention Marc Gasol in their articles doesn't mean he was an after thought LMAO.

#3) The Lakers actually tried everything they could to NOT include Marc Gasol in the trade....but Memphis wouldn't budge. They DEMANDED he be included in the deal or no deal you faces.


Sorry your front office isn't intelligent enough to take advantage of a team trying to achieve capspace.

Your cap space move: IGN JEFFERSON

Lakers: PAU GASOL



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[j.dizzle]

in A I still cant believe a player like can make over a mil a month playing defense like Fisher..Crazy , he must have the biggest smile on his face when he's checking his bank account statements.

[anonoftheinternets]

If Duncan, Manu or Parker isn't working out, I'd definately do it in hope of landing a free agent.

any reason why you only post in the NBA forum? and one of your few posts in the spurs forum was the lakers vs spurs game?

[TheMACHINE]

Who needs collusion when you can just tank a season to get a lottery pick.