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    sandman = whott

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    Awesome power forwards do not average only 7 rebounds a game for almost half the season.
    He is paid quite a bit less than McDyess and 6 of his Rockets teammates make more than him. He is a great deal for his contract.

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    The Scola deal was about money.

    Nothing more. Nothing less.

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    Nope. Been posting here for over 4.5 years. I've had a few beers over Spurs games with other fans here in Houston. I just get plenty enough exposure to Scola living in this town to know that he is not the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ of the Spurs that some of you think he is.

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    He is paid quite a bit less than McDyess and 6 of his Rockets teammates make more than him. He is a great deal for his contract.
    Wait a minute. The argument is not about how great a deal his contract is.

    It is about how if we had Scola the Spurs would be winners and the 5th ring would be all but a mortal lock.

    So how is a PF playing over 30 minutes per game, getting just 7 rebounds a game, while leading his team to a 9-16 mark and out of the playoffs since January 1st going to fulfill these types of heady expectations?

    What is that? Maybe the argument SHOULD be that he is a great deal for the money and the Spurs should never have let him go, instead of this inane drivel that he, and he alone in all of his awesomeness and might and power and glory and flowing mane, would have been the answer to the Spurs working on their 4-peat instead of battling for a 7th seed.

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    who is getting 7 rebounds a game?

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    Scola might not have been a "saviour" but consider this:

    His chemistry with Manu would have been off the charts...

    His contract was worth Bonner money...

    Last but not least, Scola seems to be Kryptonite to Lamar Odom, a guy who has given the Spurs fits over the past few years... He was part of the reason why Houston took the Lakers to 7 games last season...

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    So pathetic the way some of you rub one out every time Scola has a good game against the Spurs. I guess the 0 pts and 3 rebs against Orlando in the game before and the 10 pts and 3 rebs against Utah in the game after were really the flukes. It was only the third time all season that he has scored over 25 points in a game and his highest rebound total in over 5 weeks.

    Seriously, if you want to get all pissed off because he plays well against the Spurs, fine. But stop the keyboard chode load about how awesome he is. Because he is not. Awesome power forwards do not average only 7 rebounds a game for almost half the season.
    I am sorry, but you are bleeding badly here:

    SCOLA:

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    Season  Team  	G  	GS 	MPG  	FG%  	3p%  	FT%  	OFF  	DEF 	RPG  	APG  	SPG  	BPG  	TO  	PF 	PPG
    09-10   HOU 	58 	58 	30.2 	0.511 	0.333 	0.765 	2.0 	6.4 	8.3 	1.9 	0.7 	0.3 	1.9 	2.8 	14.7
    Career         221  	178  	28.2  	0.520  	0.111  	0.727  	2.2  	5.6  	7.8  	1.5  	0.8  	0.2  	1.5  	3.0  	12.4
    The FUBAR is so obvious that there are no reasonable arguments at this point. The trade was a bad business decision then (since the perceived value of the trade was horribly skewed towards Houston), and over time it was PROVED that this was also a pretty bad basketball decision as well.

    Scola would have been a tremendous asset for the Spurs for the last 3 years. This is absolutely undeniable.

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    Spurs FO ups:

    Scola trade
    Barbosa trade
    Passing up Josh Howard
    Passing up David Lee

    anyone wanna add anything
    Yes I will add, Gino when nobody wanted him in what year? Pick what? Parker late in what year? What pick? George Hill outta nowhere who is a stud! Blair who is a player in this league already at what pick? Fans always look at a negative or two, but seriously all teams have those! You guys don't want to mention the good though, just the bad!

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    That's like saying the Spurs should have used their 2nd round pick, two years ago, on Marc Gasol instead of Marcus Williams..
    Yeah spurs scout Matt bonner's younger brother not pao's.

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    The trade was a bad business decision then
    Untrue.

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    So pathetic the way some of you rub one out every time Scola has a good game against the Spurs. I guess the 0 pts and 3 rebs against Orlando in the game before and the 10 pts and 3 rebs against Utah in the game after were really the flukes. It was only the third time all season that he has scored over 25 points in a game and his highest rebound total in over 5 weeks.

    Seriously, if you want to get all pissed off because he plays well against the Spurs, fine. But stop the keyboard chode load about how awesome he is. Because he is not. Awesome power forwards do not average only 7 rebounds a game for almost half the season.
    You may wanna check your facts before talking such a big game and making a fool out of yourself.

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    Spurs paid Bonner more that summer than it cost Houston to sign Scola.
    You have the buyout of Scola's contract. That was half. Then you'd have to pay him his 7 figure contract. It actually costs more to get Scola than Bonner.

    By next year Blair may make the Scola thing a moot point with his play. You all are complaining that we're too undersized as is. Scola would have added to the problem in that regard.

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    You may wanna check your facts before talking such a big game and making a fool out of yourself.
    Which facts did I get wrong?

    That he has a total of 10 points and 6 rebounds total against Orlando and Utah, which were the games sandwiched around the Spurs game?

    That is was the only the third time all season that he scored 25 points?

    1/18 against MIL: 27
    2/20 against IND: 25
    2/26 against SAS: 30

    That is was his highest rebound total in over 5 weeks?

    1/18 against MIL: 15 rebounds

    That he has averaged only 7 rebounds a game for almost half the season?

    He has had only 6 double digit rebounds in his last 25 games (58 played). January he averaged 7.4 per game. February he averaged 7.1 per game. So I rounded down. You can call it 7.25 if it makes you feel better.

    That his FG% hasn't decreased every month of the season?

    November - .532
    December - .517
    January - .511
    February - .487

    If you want to opinion and speculate on what his statistics and impact would be with the Spurs and disagree with my opinions and speculations, then have at it. But I'm not seeing where any stats I presented were a complete injustice of the truth.

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    Which facts did I get wrong?

    That he has a total of 10 points and 6 rebounds total against Orlando and Utah, which were the games sandwiched around the Spurs game?

    That is was the only the third time all season that he scored 25 points?

    1/18 against MIL: 27
    2/20 against IND: 25
    2/26 against SAS: 30

    That is was his highest rebound total in over 5 weeks?

    1/18 against MIL: 15 rebounds

    That he has averaged only 7 rebounds a game for almost half the season?

    He has had only 6 double digit rebounds in his last 25 games (58 played). January he averaged 7.4 per game. February he averaged 7.1 per game. So I rounded down. You can call it 7.25 if it makes you feel better.

    That his FG% hasn't decreased every month of the season?

    November - .532
    December - .517
    January - .511
    February - .487

    If you want to opinion and speculate on what his statistics and impact would be with the Spurs and disagree with my opinions and speculations, then have at it. But I'm not seeing where any stats I presented were a complete injustice of the truth.
    8.3 isn't the same as 7, and no matter the stats Scola would be the second best bigman by far on the Spurs. He may even prevent Pop from playing small-ball so much.

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    8.3 isn't the same as 7, and no matter the stats Scola would be the second best bigman by far on the Spurs. He may even prevent Pop from playing small-ball so much.
    You are right, 8.3 on a season average is not the same as 7 over the last two months.

    But that is where stats can hide a declining impact. I decided to look at the whole season and here are some very telling signs:

    In his first 25 games, he averaged 10 rebounds a game and had 15 double digit rebounding games.

    In his next 33 games, he averaged 7 rebounds a game and had only 8 double digit games. But he also had 11 games where he had 5 rebounds or less.

    If you take out his monster games against Indiana and San Antonio, which were his best scoring and rebounding outputs in 5 weeks, and he has averaged 9.7 points and 5.8 rebounds in his last 10 games.

    Jefferson averages only 12 ppg in 31 minutes as a SF and people here want to crucify him. Scola is averaging for the better part of the season only 7 rpg in 31 minutes as a PF on a mediocre team where he has the opportunity to be the go-to guy, yet he is the Messiah for the Spurs.

    Speculate all you want about how many repeats the Spurs would be defending if Scola was in the Black and Silver. It won't change the fact that he is struggling right now with the Rockets.

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    Scola Duncan would have been an awesome frontcourt. Nearly as good as Yao/Scola will be next year

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    You are right, 8.3 on a season average is not the same as 7 over the last two months.

    But that is where stats can hide a declining impact. I decided to look at the whole season and here are some very telling signs:

    In his first 25 games, he averaged 10 rebounds a game and had 15 double digit rebounding games.

    In his next 33 games, he averaged 7 rebounds a game and had only 8 double digit games. But he also had 11 games where he had 5 rebounds or less.

    If you take out his monster games against Indiana and San Antonio, which were his best scoring and rebounding outputs in 5 weeks, and he has averaged 9.7 points and 5.8 rebounds in his last 10 games.

    Jefferson averages only 12 ppg in 31 minutes as a SF and people here want to crucify him. Scola is averaging for the better part of the season only 7 rpg in 31 minutes as a PF on a mediocre team where he has the opportunity to be the go-to guy, yet he is the Messiah for the Spurs.

    Speculate all you want about how many repeats the Spurs would be defending if Scola was in the Black and Silver. It won't change the fact that he is struggling right now with the Rockets.
    He ain't struggling. He was splitting minutes with Landry. Now that Landry's gone, you'll see his point and rebounding statistics go up.

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    if we got scola ginobili will def stay here!! that would be awesome.. you know they would work great together

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    what happend to landry????????????

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    what happend to landry????????????
    Rockets blockbuster trade with Knicks and Kings

    Rockets send T-Mac to Knicks
    Rockets get K-Mart from Sac, 2 first round draft picks of Knicks 2010 and 2011, Hilton Armstrong from Sac, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill from NY
    Sac gets Landry and Dorsey

    Rockets come out of this trade smelling like a rose. Scola will now get around 35-40 min a game and split his time with David Anderson instead of Landry.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_467867.html

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    You are right, 8.3 on a season average is not the same as 7 over the last two months.

    But that is where stats can hide a declining impact. I decided to look at the whole season and here are some very telling signs:

    In his first 25 games, he averaged 10 rebounds a game and had 15 double digit rebounding games.

    In his next 33 games, he averaged 7 rebounds a game and had only 8 double digit games. But he also had 11 games where he had 5 rebounds or less.

    If you take out his monster games against Indiana and San Antonio, which were his best scoring and rebounding outputs in 5 weeks, and he has averaged 9.7 points and 5.8 rebounds in his last 10 games.

    Jefferson averages only 12 ppg in 31 minutes as a SF and people here want to crucify him. Scola is averaging for the better part of the season only 7 rpg in 31 minutes as a PF on a mediocre team where he has the opportunity to be the go-to guy, yet he is the Messiah for the Spurs.

    Speculate all you want about how many repeats the Spurs would be defending if Scola was in the Black and Silver. It won't change the fact that he is struggling right now with the Rockets.
    Twist the numbers all you want but at the end of the day the guy is averaging 15 ppg and 8 rbds for the season, that's pretty good if you ask me. And no, he isn't the go to guy nor he is struggling right now, again get your facts straight.

    Nobody is saying that Scola is a franchise player or even an all-star, but the Spurs don't need that, we already have Tim, Tony and Manu to fill those roles. We just need good, reliable role players, specially on the front court and Scola is just that. Having him on the team maybe wouldn't have brought us another championship but I have no doubt that it would have made us a better team.

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    If you take out his monster games against Indiana and San Antonio, which were his best scoring and rebounding outputs in 5 weeks, and he has averaged 9.7 points and 5.8 rebounds in his last 10 games.
    LOL man, that is ing lame. Why would you take out his good games?

    For that matter, take out his poor games against Philadelphia and Orlando and he would average 15.6 and 8.2. Stupid reasoning.

    Maybe you're just trying too hard.

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    Since the day we made the Scola trade we've done nothing but look up at the Rockets in the standings. Just imagine if these weren't the best teams of the Duncan era.

    All one has to do is look at Scola's skill set, then look at the skill sets of Dice and Blair and you can easily see what Scola brings that they don't and why Scola would be, "the cure" for small ball.

    I'm just glad I'll be able to bandwagon the Rockets in the playoffs this year when the Spurs gets bounced.

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    8.3 isn't the same as 7, and no matter the stats Scola would be the second best bigman by far on the Spurs. He may even prevent Pop from playing small-ball so much.

    You're quite brilliant and I'm impressed with your knowledge of the game and the way players' numbers improve when they come to play for the Spurs. Not only would Scola put up the same numbers he does for the Rockets on the Spurs, he'd likely put up even better numbers. All one needs is a cursory knowledge of the Spurs recent history to make these observations.

    You are a true credit to this board and primary reason why it is now an oasis of basketball insight in the virtual desert of internet basketball messageboardery.

    I just hope by the time Blair is 26 he'll put up the 6.4 rebounds in 24mpg that Scola put up as a rookie. I know Pop'll play him then even if he doesn't have Scola's speed or defensive and shotblocking ability.

    Keep up the good work, and thank God we'll have the Rockets to watch this year when the Spurs lose in the playoffs.

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