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    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...clamp-on-camp/
    Since leaving school, former Tigers guard Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Williams has been working out by himself in Los Angeles to prepare for the NBA Draft later this month. Outside of his daily Twitter updates (@ewill901), however, nobody seems to know much about what's going on with Williams or where he stands in the draft process.

    Since working out for the San Antonio Spurs, where he reportedly suffered a minor knee injury, Williams has practically dropped out of sight, skipping the Chicago pre-draft combine. According to industry sources, Williams has turned down or ignored invitations recently from at least three teams to come in for workouts.

    He is also declining interview requests to explain it all. In a text to The Commercial Appeal on Friday, Williams said he would love to answer questions but he was "busy preparing for the draft" and wouldn't be available until closer to the draft.

    One can surmise that Williams' silence comes at the direction of his agent, Thad Foucher, from Wasserman Media Group (Arn Tellem's agency). But what does it mean?

    Some have speculated that Williams received a promise from the Spurs that they would use the No. 20 pick on him if he's still available. Others wonder if Williams is perhaps more injured than he's letting on, though those in direct contact with the Williams camp insist he's fine and Williams' Twitter updates indicate that he is working out daily.
    It really starts to look strange with Williams turning down interviews and workouts.

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    I wonder if these tricks by the FO actually help achieve their goals? It could be bait to get another team to take him to push one of their targeted SFs down to the 20th pick...but that sounds like a stretch.

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    Fake tweets about exploratory surgeries would be hilarious.

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    So would redirected links to the draft sites in the original post. Oh, wait.....

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    Please don't draft him. We will have a hard time spelling his name.

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    from where ever I look at this situation, something is going on. (this doesn't necessarily mean the Spurs are involved)
    usually the borderline 1st rounders are the guys that try as hard as any to get into contact and work out with as many teams as possible. with good reasons.
    and usually an agency tries to get their client into that workouts.
    the other su ion, that he is more injured than reported (which would indicate that his twitter reports are faked) and they try to hide it. IMO totally without legs. Wasserman is the by far biggest agency group in the NBA. they have tons of lottery projects and big money stars under contract, they would never ever risk their reputation to somehow trick a team and push a player into the late 1st round. they have players like Williams dime a dozen. I think they are pretty pragmatic: they have a player with a realistic 20-40 draft range, they have a "promise" for a spot in the upper area of this range.... deal done, case closed. they do their part (cancel all workouts with other teams, reject all invitations) and trust that the team sticks with their word. (pick the player, even if surprisingly another player drops). the team also wouldn't risk a conflict with one of the most powerful agencies, just because of a pick. (note: we are not talking about franchise talents)

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    When a player totally shuts down workouts and interviews, he got a draft promise from someone, and someone that he and his agent trusts.

    BTW, if Cole Aldrich and/or Ed Davis drop down close to the 20s, it just means NBA GMs are doing their jobs for once. Aldrich might not even sniff the first round if he had played in the MAC, or the Colonial.

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    Can someone help me out here? He played at Duke and then he played at Memphis. Did he red shirt a year? I'm missing something.
    He played at Duke his first year and transferred to Memphis for his Sop re year. The NCAA let him play immediately without having to sit out a year because he was transferring to be close to his mom who was really sick or something. not sure if she passed or what.

    is this what you're asking?

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    Bruno,

    The links in the OP do not point to DX and nbadraft. Linking to something in French.

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    said his mom had breast cancer somewhere

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    damn. totally ignored the hometown aspect.
    THIS would be the most logic explanation.
    all teams are looking at the Spurs, because this was his only work out.
    but the Grizzlies have the #25 (and #28 pick).
    of course they should know a player pretty well, who starred for Memphis University and who grew up and starred for a highschool in a suburb of Memphis.
    would those guys necessarily need a workout to know about Williams? likely not.
    and Williams already changed his college to be closer to his family.
    what could such a player have asked his agent for?
    try to get me on my hometown team!
    and the Grizzlies could easily have promised one of their late 1st rounders to him. they even would have good use for a versatile combo guard, who can back up Mayo and Conley.
    the whole SA story might just have been a coincident! (the Memphis promise might have come in when he worked out in SA)

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    Bruno,

    The links in the OP do not point to DX and nbadraft. Linking to something in French.
    Thanks, fixed.

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    From the information provided explaining how he's refused to work out with other teams after his workout with the Spurs (because of a minor knee injury, yet according to his twitter he is still working out daily), makes me believe there's more than just smoke regarding him and the Spurs.

    We know the skill level is there for him to be a respectable pick at #20 as many posters have elaborated on prior to this post.

    If George or Babbitt are gone ( which is most likely the case), this kid has the skills and character which makes him a likely candidate for the Spurs at #20.

    Just hear out what his coach had to say in regards of the kids character (something the Spurs value to a high degree). This kid has Spur written all over him.


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    When a team make a promise, the last thing they want is that other teams know it.

    In 2008, teams knew that Spurs wanted to draft Batum. Spurs try to create a smokescreen by sending a league wide mail saying that they wanted to trade their pick. It didn't work and Portland stole Batum by moving up just above Spurs' pick.

    If Spurs have made some kind of promise to Williams, the dumbest thing to do will be to start the rumor that he got injured during a workout with Spurs. This rumor create a huge spotlight around Williams and Spurs, while Spurs best interest is to stay in the dark.

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    i think it's pretty safe to say he will go to the Spurs or Memphis come draft time.

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    Still, with all the Parker trade rumors I would believe that if Williams is drafted at 20 then TP is on his way out.
    Even though neither Hill nor Williams is a true point guard? Do you think they'll do the Parker to NJ for Harris and the #3, or for some other point guard?

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    Even though neither Hill nor Williams is a true point guard? Do you think they'll do the Parker to NJ for Harris and the #3, or for some other point guard?
    I always liked tony parker but now I am not sold on having an all-star caliber pg if holes on the inside excist. If giving up TP had to happen to have 4 solid inside players I think I would do a trade. Look at this past season and see all the pg's that came into the league and were able to at least be average to above pg's in there 1st season ( Holiday, Jennings,Collison, Flynn,etc) and not to mention 2nd yr pgs. I used to think this position was very difficult to fill but these younger combo guards entering the league seems to be the in thing now and doing very well. I believe you can get by with a young pg and a veteran back-up and do very well with strong players at the 4/5 spots.

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    Both Harris and Parker were all-stars two seasons ago, but then last year they were on the downside. Parker with the injuries, Harris being on the Nets...

    Still Tony is a financial question mark. He's going to be 29, he'll want a lot of money and might be on the downside (in terms of frailty and durability) already since his body has taken so much contact. Yet he is taking the summer off to prepare for a contract year in which he will more than likely play his ass off. I wouldn't mind seeing the best scoring point guard in a contract year on the Spurs. However, Harris is locked up, slightly younger than Parker and at a really good price. Throw in a potential All-Star in whoever the Spurs take with the third pick and that's quite a nice trade for the Spurs.
    Id probably give up Tony, #20, Blair for Harris, #3, and Terrance Williams. I just don't see New jersey doing something like that.

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    Yeah that would make sense. A Spurs source told me about the Lakers off on George Hill after we drafted him, but a source from the Hornet's front office told me the Spurs were trying to sell the pick all day (Same source that told me that the Spurs indeed never made an offer of TP for CP3).
    French TV made a great 1 hour long do entary following Batum and Ajinça during the whole draft process. It really shows what happens behind the scenes.

    The story with Batum is the following:
    Batum went to SA 2 days before the draft and Spurs made him a promise to pick him with their first round pick. They also asked Batum's agent not to send medical reports to other teams that showed Batum had no problem with his heart. On draft day, Blazers screwed Spurs to get Batum.

    There are no doubts about what happens during the 2008 draft. Batum was plan A, Hill was plan B.

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    things are getting even more confusing. (or this list just hasn't been updated)

    http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2010/6...-draft-workout

    Atlanta Hawks Draft Workout Schedule


    Monday, June 14 Terrico White, Elliott Williams, Dominique Jones, Manny Harris

    Tuesday, June 15 Darington Hobson, Stanley Robinson, Pape Sy

    Wednesday, June 16 Mikhail Torrance, Jordan Crawford, Chris Kramer, J.T. Tiller, Pape Sy, Greivis Vasquez

    Thursday, June 17 Gani Lawal, Charles Garcia

    Friday, June 18 Devin Ebanks, Quincy Pondexter, Elijah Millsap, Kevin Palmer, Landon Milbourne

    Saturday, June 19 Trevor Booker, Lazar Hayward, Tasmin Mitc

    Sunday, June 20 Craig Brackins, Derrick Caracter, Patrick Sullivan, Jarvis Varnardo

    Tuesday, June 22 Larry Sanders, Ryan Richards, Latavious Williams, Solomon Alabi, Samardo Samuels, Daniel Orton, Tory Jackson, Joe Dukes

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    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Williams-5153/
    Williams does a number of things exceptionally well, and has the potential to be an efficient scorer if he improves some of his scoring tools.

    Ranking right around average in terms of usage at 17.4 possessions per-game and slightly above average at 0.961 PPP overall, Williams’ best asset in comparison to his peers is his ability to use his quickness to get to the line. He was fouled on an impressive 14.2% of his overall shots, leading our sample of prospects by more than 3%.

    Despite ranking right around average in terms of half court field goal percentage (42.2%), Williams scores on a higher percentage (45.4%) of his non-fast break possessions than any other player. Clearly, his first step plays a major role in his ability to create contact at the rim. His role for Memphis certainly helped as well.

    Although he spent nearly twice as many of his possessions playing off the ball in spot up situations than Evan Turner (17.2% vs. 9.5%), Williams got some 43% of his offense operating one-on-one or working off a pick. A capable jump shooter when left open (42.9%), but limited when defended (27.3%), the Duke transfer has the resume of a guard capable of sliding over to handle the ball next to a shooting point guard or remaining off the ball and slashing to the rim.
    several points pretty loud state "great fit" for the Spurs

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    Yeah, there's been plenty to suggest he's got all the tools the Spurs would find appealing. I'd really like to know his true measurements, though.

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    Yeah, there's been plenty to suggest he's got all the tools the Spurs would find appealing. I'd really like to know his true measurements, though.
    can't tell you the exactly measurements, but I was pretty curious about this question as well and did some (visual ) research.....



    Henderson was measured 2009. height without shoes: 6'4'', with shoes: 6'5''



    Henderson (left), Singler is listed 6-9, Thomas (opposite) 6-8 and the white shoulder on the right is from Scheyer (my guess), who was measured 6'4.75 without and 6'6'' in shoes.

    bottom line: Williams should be pretty much the same size like Henderson, a legit 6'5'' in shoes.



    about wingspan: I guess it's easy to see that he is one of those long arm players. (could post a dozen other pictures looking similar).
    I would guess he has a 6'10'' wingspan, probably even more.

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    I'm guessing he's probably pretty comparable to Hairston in his height. I'd definitely like to see some more length on the perimeter but he seems to be a pretty nice prospect when you look how he could compliment Hill for years to come.

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    He's not in the draft combine measurements. I hope if we do take him he's taller/longer than currently thought.
    Guess what? They never are taller, longer, bigger--that all comes from college PR offices.

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