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I guess you failed to read this part dumb :
Differences in the structure of countries' education systems often make international comparisons difficult.
Hey stupid:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2005/2005021.pdf
Stop trying to pull out of your ass.
I guess you failed to read this part dumb :
Differences in the structure of countries' education systems often make international comparisons difficult.
No, I read it, but I also read past it.
I guess my Super United States Education was enough for me to grasp reading comprehension. They equalized the differences in the report.Differences in the structure of countries’ education systems often
make international comparisons difficult. To improve the comparability
of education indicators, the OECD worked with countries
to standardize their education systems into the ISCED, as
described above. Using the OECD ISCED classifications as a starting
point, the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES)
worked with education professionals in other G8 countries to
create a general overview of each country’s education system.
As an aid to the reader, schematics of how the ISCED applies to
each of the G8 countries are provided in the appendix, accompanied
by text describing each system in greater detail.
Anything else?
i failed to see equalized.. i saw "to improve the comparibility," but that shows the stats aren't equal. brush up on the reading comprehension.
Are you going to argue semantics in order to try to prove a point that is unprovable?
how can things be equal when their vo-tech students finish school at 16?
and who the one trying to argue the definition of evil a few weeks ago!
Education in Germany is compulsory until the age of 18. You might want to check your info.
Tell you what, using your Super United States Education, do some reading and come back and tell us what you find.
I was, in a debate about the word evil. I can totaly see how that is relevant here.and who the one trying to argue the definition of evil a few weeks ago!
Go to dictionary.com and look up semantics.
yes, but at 16 the vo-tech students mainly work and their schooling is part of their trade. it is not traditional school like we are attending at the ages of 16-18. that is the difference. those students are taking the academic comparison tests. i have talked and drank with many of these germans. there are germans at utsa. find some and ask them about this. you are wrong.
I'm sure I can find plenty of similiar data for other science disciplines as well as for engineering ones.
Now if American students have the advantage of a great K-12 education on average as well as the added advantage of great undergraduate programs here in the United States why is it that more and more they are apparently unable to take advantage of such opportunities at the graduate level?
Oh, why didn't you say that before? Had you mentoined your undertaking of a scientific study regarding the differences between the German and American education systems, I would have never questioned you.
Who doesn't see how your impressions based off of a few Germans are definetly better than data acquired in the manner in those studys?
all your graph shows is that more foreign students are choosing to pursue graduate degrees in physics.
I'm sure I can find plenty of similiar data for other science disciplines as well as for engineering ones.
Now if American students have the advantage of a great K-12 education on average as well as the added advantage of great undergraduate programs here in the United States why is it that more and more they are apparently unable to take advantage of such opportunities at the graduate level?
Yes, our universities are pretty good.
This is one of the greatest non-sequiturs I ever have read.also, since we must have good universities, we therefore must have good k-12.
It must be that quality American education you got.
American students in American universities require more remedial classes and have lower retention rates than their foreign counterparts at American universities. While many Americans intrinsically have the ap ude to succeed in college, they must overcome inferior parenting and primary education to do so.to graduate from college you had to have learned something in your 13 years of pre-university education. you can't be totally re ed and just go into college and graduate.
It's the same for pretty much any technical or professional field, except law.
We do crank out a lot of liberal arts graduates with no work skills, however.
So we have fewer and fewer American workers who can produce things, but a lot more who can analzye poetry, and better yet, who can sue the few who do produce things. Yeah, that will make us compe ive in the 21st century economy.
...and what about American students?
The decline of US student enrollment into physics programs is inversely proportional to the rise of US students appearing on reality TV shows. If you could somehow make a reality show about physics students....
that is ing great!
You clearly failed to read this sentence:
The means our best students are not as smart as the best student from other countries. The differences in structure between countries is irrelevant in this comparison.Department of Education statistics show that our top 12th grade students are last and next to last in math and science, respectively, compared to other industrialized nations.
Extra Stout makes very good points, likely to be further misinterpreted by Clandestino.
The fact the average American college student now takes 5 years to complete a 4 year degree also serves as an indication of the declining K-12 education system. Couple this with the percentage of American students who require remedial courses along with the surveys in which college professors say students are not adequetely prepared for the collegiate level, and you have a pretty non-scientific case for the fact that our K-12 education system is on the decline.
Clandestino, I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but all signs point to you being a complete moron.
i can't be too much of a moron. i am completing my 120 hr degree program in 3 years... speak 3 languages fluently and can get around in 2 others.... the list goes on...
Well, then I am impressed at your ability to be a moron despite such an otherwise dandy resume.
^^RACK 'IM!!^^
Wow! Is this the same scott? Touche'!
I think the system is not perfect, but is very capable of making the changes necessary to improve. That is what makes the US such a world power, adaptation.
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