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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Actually I only heard it once...from Obama.
    what did you hear?

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    I guess you are having trouble with reading comprehension today. Either that or you're doing a very poor Chumpdumper impersonation.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I guess you are having trouble with reading comprehension today. Either that or you're doing a very poor Chumpdumper impersonation.
    Now you're going to make me waste my time:

    I said

    they are not going to take over 1/6 of the economy. you have proof? or is this one of those talking points you are accusing of Obama of spouting..

    You said

    in one fell swoop.

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    so you don't know either? that's ok..you've heard it alot and you hate obama....kind of easy to figure out

    Actually I only heard it once...from Obama.

    you heard obama say that govt was going to take control of 1/6 of the economy?
    Are you having trouble with reading comprehension?

    I heard Obama say....
    still nothing..so I'll ask again, what did you hear Obama say?

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    So, in essence, not only is our government completely against the ideals of personal independence, but so are a majority of the people you walk by on the street.
    /rant mode on

    I saw a news segment on the term "Generation We," the next in line after Generation X and Generation Y. It does appear that we're steering in a direction of the other "nanny states" on the world stage, but I believe it's not 100% a bad thing if used as a reminder that cleaning up the messes of irresponsible, self-sabotaging citizens is not how to solve our problems...but rather prevention of them screwing up and stopping problems before they start while not overtly ting in anyone's freedom cornflakes. It's a thin line that requires brave people to consider and act on it, but even as we go farther and farther away from our mission statement as a country - no one wants to sacrifice, no one wants to pick up the torch left by previous generations. It's much too heavy for us, and that's OUR problem, not the government.

    Despite our flaws, we are the greatest country in the world, but the majority of the people on the street don't have a concept of the world - all they know is the routine of school and work, they aren't encouraged to be vocal problem solvers. Which is where modern politics (this grand theatre) comes into play because if problems DID get solved the politicians wouldn't know what to do with themselves...the whole system is based on extremes in the media and message, and it just coincidentally works in politicians favor that people are getting dumber and dumber.

    When I was in Europe, even though people don't like the American government, they respect what America represents. It still means something good to be an American, and my fear is that the extreme weakness and hostility shown domestically and internationally over the last two Presidential administration has confused the new generation, "Generation We," and is going to turn them into "Generation WTF" where they don't even care about leading anything because this country's iden y is so scrambled that the only ones that remember what America was supposed to be about are the people on the outside, in other countries, and they're governments use it against us to show how much better they are than us. That downfall won't be on Bush or Obama, it'll be the people we walk by on the street. *Glenn Beck cry*

    /rant mode off

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    "they respect what America represents."

    Bull . Europeans are terrified by the level of violence and murders and drug abuse in USA, they are terrified of living with the anxiety of bankruptcy from medical catastrophe, they like their 5,6 week annual vacations + national holidays. They think the USA 2-week vacations are barbaric, along with the absence of employee rights, and the workaholic employees who get little reward. Work your ass off for 40 years as a wage-slave for two weeks a year, health insecurity, and a ty pension.

    The Dec of Ind and Const remain among of the world's great political do ents, but American society today is very far from those ideals and is being destroyed by the unstoppable corporatocracy. Throw in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the American-driven globalization (aka " our citizens, we're buying from poor countries"), and the abject failures of American capitalism and economic leadership.

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    "they respect what America represents."

    Bull . Europeans are terrified by the level of violence and murders and drug abuse in USA, they are terrified of living with the anxiety of bankruptcy from medical catastrophe, they like their 5,6 week annual vacations + national holidays. They think the USA 2-week vacations are barbaric, along with the absence of employee rights, and the workaholic employees who get little reward. Work your ass off for 40 years as a wage-slave for two weeks a year, health insecurity, and a ty pension.
    Um, all that sounds like a disgruntled American rather than a terrified European. Me thinks they have their own problems over there.

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    I lived in Europe for 30 years (non military). I know a better than your "me thinks".

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    I lived in Europe for 30 years (non military). I know a better than your "me thinks".
    Of course you know better! The paranoia you described seems to be on the same level as the Tea Party folks, so nobody can blame you for not liking them when you basically lived with them for 30 years. I'd sound crazy too.

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    Yes, I want his policies to fail that will destroy our lifestyle.
    What is our lifestyle? Being last in the developed world to have health care for everyone? Eating cheeseburgers and worshipping celebrities?

    We have no lifestyle that any President could ever destroy. No President, Congress, or any politician could ever take away our rights to kill each other with our automatic weapons, eat as many cheeseburgers as we want, degrade and not give a damn about each other, or worship any celebrity like they are gods.

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    What is our lifestyle? Being last in the developed world to have health care for everyone? Eating cheeseburgers and worshipping celebrities?
    the developed world created their healthcare system from the marshall plan. if their wasn't a profitable industry for healthcare everything would be alot different. we wouldn't have a profitable h.c. industry if not for the american economy.

    We have no lifestyle that any President could ever destroy. No President, Congress, or any politician could ever take away our rights to kill each other with our automatic weapons, eat as many cheeseburgers as we want, degrade and not give a damn about each other, or worship any celebrity like they are gods.
    you have such a high appreciation for the american citizen.

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    What is our lifestyle? Being last in the developed world to have health care for everyone? Eating cheeseburgers and worshipping celebrities?
    To be fair, I think you have to ask how the rest of the developed world can afford to have universal healthcare. Hint: It isnt about taxation, its about presence.

    When I think of Universal Healthcare, I think of Europe, Japan and Canada. Coincidentally, they all fall under the American protection blanket by treaty or capitulation. I am sure they have nothing to do with one another, though.

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    the developed world created their healthcare system from the marshall plan. if their wasn't a profitable industry for healthcare everything would be alot different. we wouldn't have a profitable h.c. industry if not for the american economy.


    you have such a high appreciation for the american citizen.
    Yeah Canada really benefited from the Marshall Plan. A profitable health care industry? So you're saying the lives and health of people comes down to just profit?

    Spain also has universal healthcare, and it took nothing from the Marshall Plan. Again I ask what's the point of you bringing up the Marshall Plan? That has nothing to do with the topic of universal healthcare. A point I ask is if other nations can do it, why can't the U.S.? Because our lifestyle is in love with capitalism, maximum profit on ANYTHING, life, health, cheeseburgers.

    And I have no appreciation for the American Citizen. Regardless of whether I am one, the majority of us are just idiots.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Yeah Canada really benefited from the Marshall Plan. A profitable health care industry? So you're saying the lives and health of people comes down to just profit?

    Spain also has universal healthcare, and it took nothing from the Marshall Plan. Again I ask what's the point of you bringing up the Marshall Plan? That has nothing to do with the topic of universal healthcare. A point I ask is if other nations can do it, why can't the U.S.? Because our lifestyle is in love with capitalism, maximum profit on ANYTHING, life, health, cheeseburgers.

    And I have no appreciation for the American Citizen. Regardless of whether I am one, the majority of us are just idiots.
    he usually makes things up..

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    Yeah Canada really benefited from the Marshall Plan. A profitable health care industry? So you're saying the lives and health of people comes down to just profit?
    Canada's healthcare policy should be "Go to America". Health care is not a right. it is a service. a service that historically is profitable. People want to become doctors, and are willing to go through all the years of school because they want a good paying job.
    To have universal health care, you have to have to govt. pay the large bills of doctors or make laws to not allow doctors to charge as much. both outcomes will set precedence that the govt. can take over industries for the better good of the citizens. both will take away innovative minded people.
    Soon with less people wanting to be doctors ( as happens with all countries who have socialized medicine) the libs will say that colleges for doctors is also a right. Then the owning of hospitals will be a govt. right.

    If this happens, the quality will go down. lawsuits will go up and the innovative R&D for healthcare equipment, accessories and medicine will dwindle.

    Spain also has universal healthcare, and it took nothing from the Marshall Plan. Again I ask what's the point of you bringing up the Marshall Plan? That has nothing to do with the topic of universal healthcare. A point I ask is if other nations can do it, why can't the U.S.? Because our lifestyle is in love with capitalism, maximum profit on ANYTHING, life, health, cheeseburgers.

    And I have no appreciation for the American Citizen. Regardless of whether I am one, the majority of us are just idiots.
    All these other countries you use as examples, are a. going bankrupt bcuz of this and
    b. not nearly half the size of america and has no where near the economy of the us.
    finally no one disputes the fact that we need to fix medicaid and medicare. this would just make it bigger.

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    If this happens, the quality will go down. lawsuits will go up and the innovative R&D for healthcare equipment, accessories and medicine will dwindle.
    Again you are just using baseless rhetoric that means nothing. All these countries that have so called socialized medicine have enormous quality of healthcare. Lawsuits don't go up and innovation is still there. I know you like pulling out of your ass, but please do some research first.

    It's no coincidence that these countries with socialized medicine consistently rank at the top of innovation, quality, and low cost.

    As for Canada's health care policy...that's a joke. You know damn well they would never remove their universal health care coverage. None of these countries that have socialized medicine would ever dream of overturning it. Period. I've already stated this before with regards to Britain.

    I've also state that not any system is perfect and nobody is arguing that any system is perfect. But to say health care is not a right is a freaking joke. Tell that to all the pregnant mothers out there. Health care is absolutely a right, not a service to be profited from.

    Government taking over business for the better good of the people? That's the whole point of the government you jackass. The purpose of government is to do what's in the best interest of the people, not of the insurance companies or rich doctors. Sadly they are the ones that have the lobbying power and people like my mom, who can't afford health insurance, suffer from it.

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    Despite being utterly partisan and obscene otherwise, this forum is exponentially more couth when that heap of flesh and waste of oxygen, yonivore, isn't starting threads. The moron manages to utterly dumb-down and chafe what's an already ridiculous place, to no small extent. you Yoni.
    You post this crap, with a picture of the biggest hole in the earth? why?


    he did not suck but pretty close

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