should we sit mason

[TDMVPDPOY]

win or lose, they just want him of the team...same with parker...

[jjktkk]

I gotta say, this new protocol is da , thanks for everyone who has made it possible. Having a scapegoat on the team so nobody else's performance ever has to judged.. really keeps those pesky Tony Parker threads at bay.

It's real simple to. Lose a game? Blame Mason. Win a game? Blame Mason. Never mind about other stats like the team shooting 6-25 from the arc or missing 11 freebies, nah we can just blame Roger Mason for everything that goes wrong (or right) from now on.

I don't blame Mason, nor do I necessarily want him gone from the Spurs. When his shot is on, like tonight, he can be a spark off the bench. But thats his only true asset. His defense and ball handling are below average. Its 3- pointers, or bust with Mason. So IMO that equates Mason being the 8th, or 9th guy off the bench at best.

[TJastal]

Go watch it again. He was assigned to Nash and Richardson most of the night.

I would if I had it taped. I got the espn play by play though.
1st quarter

5:20 Roger Mason enters the game for Manu Ginobili (assume he's on JRich)

Jason Richardson misses 4-foot jumper
Jason Richardson makes 23-foot three point jumper (Steve Nash assists)
Jason Richardson misses 7-foot two point shot

1:17 Roger Mason enters the game for Richard Jefferson but Parker is in the game, assume he's guarding Nash when he goes off right before the quarter ends........
Steve Nash makes two point shot
Steve Nash makes two point shot
Steve Nash makes 18-foot jumper

2nd quarter

7:24 Roger Mason enters the game for Manu Ginobili ... Nash gets another bucket not sure if Mason was guarding him (Temple was in the game so assume this was on Temple)

Tony Parker bad pass (Amare Stoudemire steals)
Jason Richardson makes dunk (Channing Frye assists) ... can't fault Mason
for this dunk

Nash makes a jumper and 2 free throws right before half, and this was not on Roger either (Parker was guarding Nash)

3rd quarter

4:41 Roger Mason enters the game for Garrett Temple

Jason Richardson makes 23-foot three point jumper (Channing Frye assists)
Jason Richardson makes layup (Steve Nash assists)
Jason Richardson makes dunk (Steve Nash assists

This is all I can find of Nash and J-Rich's scoring throughout the game when Roger was in the game at the same time. A whole 9 pts by Richardson, (11 if you count Parker's bad pass that led to a dunk, I don't count it personally)

I'd have to assume Parker was on Nash when he was in the game and that's when Nash did most of his scoring damage. JRich had a burst in the 3rd quarter that looks like Roger was responsible for.. but he more than made up with his own offensive barrage.

[Obstructed_View]

of course. now its pops fault. at least your consistent

and masons defense isn't anything close to bogans...

You're saying that inserting Mason as the backup point guard last year was a good thing? No wonder you think Bogans plays good defense.

[ElNono]

I would if I had it taped. I got the espn play by play though.
1st quarter

5:20 Roger Mason enters the game for Manu Ginobili (assume he's on JRich)

Jason Richardson misses 4-foot jumper
Jason Richardson makes 23-foot three point jumper (Steve Nash assists)
Jason Richardson misses 7-foot two point shot

1:17 Roger Mason enters the game for Richard Jefferson but Parker is in the game, assume he's guarding Nash when he goes off right before the quarter ends........
Steve Nash makes two point shot
Steve Nash makes two point shot
Steve Nash makes 18-foot jumper

2nd quarter

7:24 Roger Mason enters the game for Manu Ginobili ... Nash gets another bucket not sure if Mason was guarding him (Temple was in the game so assume this was on Temple)

Tony Parker bad pass (Amare Stoudemire steals)
Jason Richardson makes dunk (Channing Frye assists) ... can't fault Mason
for this dunk

Nash makes a jumper and 2 free throws right before half, and this was not on Roger either (Parker was guarding Nash)

3rd quarter

4:41 Roger Mason enters the game for Garrett Temple

Jason Richardson makes 23-foot three point jumper (Channing Frye assists)
Jason Richardson makes layup (Steve Nash assists)
Jason Richardson makes dunk (Steve Nash assists

This is all I can find of Nash and J-Rich's scoring throughout the game when Roger was in the game at the same time. A whole 9 pts by Richardson, (11 if you count Parker's bad pass that led to a dunk, I don't count it personally)

I'd have to assume Parker was on Nash when he was in the game and that's when Nash did most of his scoring damage. JRich had a burst in the 3rd quarter that looks like Roger was responsible for.. but he more than made up with his own offensive barrage.

We were switching most of the game. You said you have it taped, then don't assume anything. Go take a look and come back to me.
Don't forget to look when he's a weak side defender and he's supposed to rotate but doesn't. If you need a larger sample size, there's another 60 games or so where you can see his defensive inep ude. All it takes is watching the games.

[TJastal]

We were switching most of the game. You said you have it taped, then don't assume anything. Go take a look and come back to me.
Don't forget to look when he's a weak side defender and he's supposed to rotate but doesn't. If you need a larger sample size, there's another 60 games or so where you can see his defensive inep ude. All it takes is watching the games.

The fact that the spurs were switching on P&R's this game would indicate that they weren't relying on weakside help or rotations as much, just straight man vs man defense and live with the results.

[ElNono]

The fact that the spurs were switching on P&R's this game would indicate that they weren't relying on weakside help or rotations as much, just straight man vs man defense and live with the results.

If that's what you really, honestly think, then now I understand why you think Mason's defense doesn't suck. You just don't know how this team defends at all.

[ElNono]

And BTW, RJ missed rotations too. I'm not putting the entire defensive breakdown on this game on Mason, as I said earlier. He's just as bad when we win too.

[Obstructed_View]

It's pretty obvious to me that the scheme was designed to have someone cheat over on the pick and roll and that corner three was open all night. Failure to defend that shot was a team effort, and anyone that watched the game knows that.

[polandprzem]

It's pretty obvious to me that the scheme was designed to have someone cheat over on the pick and roll and that corner three was open all night. Failure to defend that shot was a team effort, and anyone that watched the game knows that.

CIA Pop again?

like he did in 2008 in regular season game he hardly run p&r against Suns, but in the playoffs it was pick and roll independance day.

[ohmwrecker]

Mason is definitely a poor rotation defender, but we have a couple of those. He actually has pretty decent on-ball and help defensive instincts, but his problem is that he over-commits to the ball and if he does that against a good passer (Nash) his man is always going to be open. He is always a step too slow closing out on the perimeter. Bonner is also really bad about this(He isn't very good rotating in the paint either). He is just too slow.
The root of our defensive rotations is due to our players in the post needing too much help and our guards over-commiting on that help. That's why Pop's refusal to play Ian is so frustrating. At the very least, Ian could provide a post "presence" that would keep opposing guards from getting deep in the paint. When we are getting pick and rolled to death and leaving shooters open on the perimeter, Pop could throw Ian in there for a few minutes to stop the bleeding.

[Obstructed_View]

CIA Pop again?

like he did in 2008 in regular season game he hardly run p&r against Suns, but in the playoffs it was pick and roll independance day.

I suppose it's possible. I've seen them just concede the switch on teams to give them a false sense of security and then suddenly change it up when it matters. The more I think about it the more I'm hoping that's the case.

Supposedly Pop really hates giving up the corner three, though. I don't recall him getting all that angry when they gave up like a thousand of them last night.

[Mel_13]

Supposedly Pop really hates giving up the corner three, though. I don't recall him getting all that angry when they gave up like a thousand of them last night.

I've never been a big believer in CIA Pop, but that was odd. There were numerous uncontested corner threes and normally that results in players getting yanked out of the game. I'm sure nobody was yanked and I don't even recall any yelling or gesturing. Strange.