Marc Stein: "Jefferson Gets A Failing Grade"

[sefant77]

He wont opt out. He need a Marion like deal (40/5) above the MLE. He wont get that, he wouldnt get the MLE for 5 years.

RJ will stay but at least as expiring. But the big 2010 dumping is over, just Philly i can see but the price is Brand..

[HarlemHeat37]

Philly isn't going to play around with the Spurs like that..they obviously realize that no team in the NBA is going to take Brand's contract unless they're getting an amazing player or prospect, and Philly doesn't have that..their team is bad and they don't have a future, they have no leverage against other teams..

There have been plenty of reports that have said that they don't view Iguodala as a franchise guy(he obviously isn't a #1 or even a #2) and that they would be willing to move him..

I highly doubt they want to pay Iguodala for the number of years remaining, it wouldn't surprise me to see them dump him..getting a huge expiring in RJ + the new CBA coming up makes sense for them..salary dumping isn't just about 2010..

TBH, I don't think the Spurs are going to take back a contract like Iguodala's..I think they're just going to keep Jefferson and let him expire..I think Philly would definitely do some kind of deal involving them, Elton Brand won't be involved at all..

[sefant77]

I could see them demanding Hill back...

[Ice009]

That is the 15 million dollar question.

Boy, do I wish the FO would've acquired SJax instead?

We still could have gotten SJax for Mason Jr, Bonner and Finley to add to RJ, but apparently he was too expensive at 7 Million . That's what a lot of people in the forum here said.

I said SJax was cheap as and would huge if we tried to get him back in November. Some people said I was crazy, but oh well.

[DesignatedT]

trade his ass for Deng. Would love to see him in Silver and Black.

[michaelwcho]

So why the you traded for him???????????????????

If you know a player doesn't work on a certain system why try. Maybe we could get something better with those expiring contracts

Dberri at Wages of Wins wrote that Jefferson wasn't a good player when the trade was made (according to his stat system). Since WoW is usually pretty on, I didn't expect much from Jefferson.

Essentially the argument was he was a fairly inefficient scorer coming to a team that had efficient scorers. He would be taking shots away from people better than him. Only one ball.

[SenorSpur]

Philly isn't going to play around with the Spurs like that..they obviously realize that no team in the NBA is going to take Brand's contract unless they're getting an amazing player or prospect, and Philly doesn't have that..their team is bad and they don't have a future, they have no leverage against other teams..

There have been plenty of reports that have said that they don't view Iguodala as a franchise guy(he obviously isn't a #1 or even a #2) and that they would be willing to move him..

I highly doubt they want to pay Iguodala for the number of years remaining, it wouldn't surprise me to see them dump him..getting a huge expiring in RJ + the new CBA coming up makes sense for them..salary dumping isn't just about 2010..

TBH, I don't think the Spurs are going to take back a contract like Iguodala's..I think they're just going to keep Jefferson and let him expire..I think Philly would definitely do some kind of deal involving them, Elton Brand won't be involved at all..

Iggy would be a good get for the Spurs, but, like yourself, I can't see the Spurs taking on a player with that many years remaining on his contract.

If not him, how about Travis Outlaw, who will be a free agent this offseason?

[murpjf88]

Dberri at Wages of Wins wrote that Jefferson wasn't a good player when the trade was made (according to his stat system). Since WoW is usually pretty on, I didn't expect much from Jefferson.

Essentially the argument was he was a fairly inefficient scorer coming to a team that had efficient scorers. He would be taking shots away from people better than him. Only one ball.

The majority of the posters in this forum need to see it for themselves rather than take someone else's word for it. Their mostly stat savvy. They automatically assume a players potential output is based on his past credentials.

Most of the same posters that called me out months back are the same ones that want to run him out of town. Its a damn shame it took an entire season to point out the obvious to the most oblivious.

[coyotes_geek]

While the trade may have seemed to be a no-brainer, value-wise (talent given up to talent obtained), the fit was anything but. And the point isn't to call you or anyone out ... it's just pretty mind-boggling to think people that get paid to do this for a living (whether it be in a front office, in the media or otherwise) wouldn't have had the foresight.

But maybe the Spurs did; cir stance and desperation has a funny way of making long odds look decent.

It shouldn't be mind-boggling because if the people getting paid to do this for a living had perfect foresight there would be no such thing as draft busts, bad trades and bad signings. NBA personnel management is an inexact science and sometimes you're just going to be wrong. Like the Spurs were here. Sucks for us, but that's the nature of the beast. I certainly respect everyone's right to hold the FO to whatever standard they deem fit, but IMO expecting perfection is unrealistic.

[SenorSpur]

The post wasn't about his salary, it was in response to this:





While the trade may have seemed to be a no-brainer, value-wise (talent given up to talent obtained), the fit was anything but. And the point isn't to call you or anyone out ... it's just pretty mind-boggling to think people that get paid to do this for a living (whether it be in a front office, in the media or otherwise) wouldn't have had the foresight.

But maybe the Spurs did; cir stance and desperation has a funny way of making long odds look decent.

True. The Spurs FO has seldom been wrong in when targeting players they thought could fit their system. While all of us were delighted about the RJ acquisition, myself included, it does boggle the mind wondering how they missed this badly on a player who is such a dreadfully bad fit for this team.

[TJastal]

Oh come on! Is it fair to dump on RJ after one playoff game. Sure, he was a disappointment in game one, but you've got to believe that he's going to turn it around for game 2. He was just starting to come into his own before the playoffs, now , you just have to give him a chance. I know for a fact he'll pull through because thats the kind of player he is. You just have to take a leap of faith.

I sense some hidden sarcasm here....

[coyotes_geek]

True. The Spurs FO has seldom been wrong in when targeting players they thought could fit their system. While all of us were delighted about the RJ acquisition, myself included, it does boggle the mind wondering how they missed this badly on a player who is such a dreadfully bad fit for this team.

Evidently I'm in the minority here, but I don't think the Spurs missed on judging his game. They missed on judging his at ude and mental toughness. From what I've seen with RJ this season it's all mental with him. To me he just looks like a guy who is out there trying so hard to make everyone around him happy instead of just trying to play his game. Once a couple of things go wrong for him, be it a foul call, a turnover or a blown defensive assignment he just folds under the pressure he puts on himself and he's done for the night.

The Spurs went after the guy who just wanted to fit in here when what they really needed was a guy who wouldn't be afraid to try and make a name for himself here. That's where they screwed up, IMHO.

[rjv]

Evidently I'm in the minority here, but I don't think the Spurs missed on judging his game. They missed on judging his at ude and mental toughness. From what I've seen with RJ this season it's all mental with him. To me he just looks like a guy who is out there trying so hard to make everyone around him happy instead of just trying to play his game. Once a couple of things go wrong for him, be it a foul call, a turnover or a blown defensive assignment he just folds under the pressure he puts on himself and he's done for the night.

The Spurs went after the guy who just wanted to fit in here when what they really needed was a guy who wouldn't be afraid to try and make a name for himself here. That's where they screwed up, IMHO.

the mental toughness on this time starts with manu, tim and tony in that order and then you have some from mcdyess and blair has it as well. hill is probably the same. but then it stops. not one other player has it. you would think they would see what utah and portland did against all odds and feel the impetus to man up. but for some players, the basket shrinks come playoff time.

[SenorSpur]

Evidently I'm in the minority here, but I don't think the Spurs missed on judging his game. They missed on judging his at ude and mental toughness. From what I've seen with RJ this season it's all mental with him. To me he just looks like a guy who is out there trying so hard to make everyone around him happy instead of just trying to play his game. Once a couple of things go wrong for him, be it a foul call, a turnover or a blown defensive assignment he just folds under the pressure he puts on himself and he's done for the night.

The Spurs went after the guy who just wanted to fit in here when what they really needed was a guy who wouldn't be afraid to try and make a name for himself here. That's where they screwed up, IMHO.

Perhaps you're referring to a "tough-as-nails", badass, like Stephen Jackson? A dude who was pure game and pure at ude. A dude who fancied himself as the Anti-Spur?

[coyotes_geek]

Perhaps you're referring to a "tough-as-nails", badass, like Stephen Jackson? A dude who was pure game and pure at ude. A dude who fancied himself as the Anti-Spur?

Given the ever-continuing list of former employers who have decided they're better off not having SJax around, no, not him. Besides, the Spurs need offesnive efficiency, not high volume low percentage shot chuckers.

[rjv]

Given the ever-continuing list of former employers who have decided they're better off not having SJax around, no, not him. Besides, the Spurs need offesnive efficiency, not high volume low percentage shot chuckers.

for instance, a 3 point shooter who delivered like kerr or barry as opposed to bonner and mason.