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    Army Intelligence Planes Led To Suspect's Arrest
    Call To Emirates Airlines Intercepted By Military Jets, Helped Investigators Track Faisal Shahzad Down
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    In the end, it was secret Army intelligence planes that did him in. Armed with his cell phone number, they circled the skies over the New York area, intercepting a call to Emirates Airlines reservations, before scrambling to catch him at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
    A domestic to domestic call by a U. S. Citizen. It'll be interesting to see if the media ever asks whether or not a FISA warrant was sought.

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    If he was already a suspect for a domestic federal crime, why would they need a FISA warrant?

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    If he was already a suspect for a domestic federal crime, why would they need a FISA warrant?
    Damn -- probable cause getting in the way of an argument to support ignorance of the Cons ution . . . .

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    Damn -- probable cause getting in the way of an argument to support ignorance of the Cons ution . . . .
    and Yoni claims to have been a Barney Fife in the past.

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    Damn -- probable cause getting in the way of an argument to support ignorance of the Cons ution . . . .
    Since when did military intelligence investigate domestic federal crimes?

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    Since when did military intelligence investigate domestic federal crimes?
    Since they were told the cell number of a suspected domestic terrorist.

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    This idiot was trained at a Pakistani (aka the Disney World of Terror) terror camp to build bombs? If those guys are supposed to be worse than Afghan/Iraq insurgents...why they are they so much tier at being terrorists?

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    Since when did military intelligence investigate domestic federal crimes?
    I'd imagine that with any act of domestic terrorism, particularly in a post-9/11 world in which agencies are encouraged to share their resources and information, this would be the norm.

    That the military was involved doesn't change the fact that authorities had clear probable cause to obtain the warrants necessary to tap his phones and arrest him on sight. That is, the authorities didn't need to disregard the Cons ution to get their man. What a novel thought!

    Of course, in light of this attack, I'm genuinely surprised that the internment camps haven't started springing up all across the country; if only Bush/Obama had let all of those big businesses fail -- we'd have in-place facilities and infrastructure to keep these people where they belong!!

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    wonder if he had any family killed from bombing raids we have conducted in pakistan
    Actually, his family has no such connections to anything of the sort.

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    This idiot was trained at a Pakistani (aka the Disney World of Terror) terror camp to build bombs? If those guys are supposed to be worse than Afghan/Iraq insurgents...why they are they so much tier at being terrorists?
    According to the news I heard, access to quality detonator material is hard to come by here in the USA. He obviously had poor outside connections, else he could have acquired one.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/05/05...ef=igoogle_cnn

    Shazad made his reservation by phone as he drove to the airport just hours before the flight, investigators said. When he paid for his ticket in cash at the ticket counter, the airline had not refreshed its no-fly information, so his name did not raise any red flags, a senior counterterrorism official said.
    Are you ing serious? Paying for a ticket in cash hours before the flight? Meanwhile, normal passengers get random searches and crosschecked constantly for this no-fly list. The list should refresh on its own, right? I mean if babies can get kicked off flights for being on the no-fly list...why the wasn't the CIA/FBI/DHS pushing for airlines to be vigilant and "refresh" their lists? Wasn't there a failed terrorist attack a few days ago with a missing driver?!?!?!!

    How this dude was caught and all he's admitted is so convenient, someone needs to put a bow on this already.

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    another terrorist scheme stopped under obama

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    The guy was pissed because of free healthcare so he wanted to kill as many innocent people as he could.

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    I thought they did a good job nailing the guy as quickly as they did. Sure, there's stuff to improve. But they did identify and catch him in basically under 3 days without any actual footage of the guy near the vehicle.

    I'm sure that if the attempt would have been a success or if the guy eventually managed to escape, Cheney would have been all over this.

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    I thought they did a good job nailing the guy as quickly as they did. Sure, there's stuff to improve. But they did identify and catch him in basically under 3 days without any actual footage of the guy near the vehicle.

    I'm sure that if the attempt would have been a success or if the guy eventually managed to escape, Cheney would have been all over this.
    Meh. If Cheney wants to weigh in, I'm sure he will. The guy's never let facts interfere with his message.

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    I thought they did a good job nailing the guy as quickly as they did. Sure, there's stuff to improve. But they did identify and catch him in basically under 3 days without any actual footage of the guy near the vehicle.
    Only because the bomb failed to detonate and they had an intact vehicle with all sorts of forensic evidence. Now, imagine if the SUV were in a couple million pieces intermingled with the debris from surrounding buildings and other nearby vehicles.

    The Jihadist would be in Pakistan right now and Janet Incompitano would be searching every militia camp and Tea Party gathering in the nation for that poor sap that changed his shirt a couple blocks from the blast.

    I'm sure that if the attempt would have been a success or if the guy eventually managed to escape, Cheney would have been all over this.
    No matter what the administration says, the "system" did not work. We got lucky.

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    Only because the bomb failed to detonate and they had an intact vehicle with all sorts of forensic evidence. Now, imagine if the SUV were in a couple million pieces intermingled with the debris from surrounding buildings and other nearby vehicles.

    The Jihadist would be in Pakistan right now and Janet Incompitano would be searching every militia camp and Tea Party gathering in the nation for that poor sap that changed his shirt a couple blocks from the blast.


    No matter what the administration says, the "system" did not work. We got lucky.
    Were things different under Bush?

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    No matter what the administration says, the "system" did not work. We got lucky.
    Getting lucky in this case is equivalent to the system working. Is "the system" designed to find terrorists within three days? I'd argue that's an unrealistic expectation in most cases.

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    Yoni is disappointed the terrorist attack was not successful.

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    Getting lucky in this case is equivalent to the system working. Is "the system" designed to find terrorists within three days? I'd argue that's an unrealistic expectation in most cases.
    If the bomb had detonated, do you believe they would have been as successful?

    I don't. We got lucky.

    The Jihadist went to Pakistan and trained for 6 months. That didn't raise any flags? And, if it did, how the did he ever have the opportunity to drive a car bomb to Times Square and try to blow up the Viacom building.

    We. Got. Lucky. The "system" didn't work.

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    The Jihadist would be in Pakistan right now and Janet Incompitano would be searching every militia camp and Tea Party gathering in the nation for that poor sap that changed his shirt a couple blocks from the blast..
    You're right about that.

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    The Jihadist went to Pakistan and trained for 6 months. That didn't raise any flags?
    How was anyone supposed to know that, Barney?

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    The Jihadist went to Pakistan and trained for 6 months. That didn't raise any flags? And, if it did, how the did he ever have the opportunity to drive a car bomb to Times Square and try to blow up the Viacom building.
    Did the authorities know this guy trained in Pakistan before the bomb scare?

    Again, do you think our system is designed to catch guys within three days?

    Is it a failure of our criminal justice system if police don't catch a suspect within three days?

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