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    OK so you know what I'm saying. I don't know how else the Spurs can get themselves to an elite level. Even if they got past the Suns, were they gonna win a championship? Waiting for Jefferson's contract to be up will only put another year on Duncan and Ginobili.

    Maybe Spurs are one-and-done in 2011 playoffs and then Tony signs somewhere else. I think Parker is our best player, but what good is having such a great player if there are other needs? They can't sign anyone significant because they're screwed with the luxury. I believe it's a gamble that must be made.

    It's not that crazy a post, guys. Geez. I've been thinking about this since the series barely started.
    And why would you trade your best player?


    Personally I think Manu is our best player right now.... Tony is our most reliable.

    I really don't think Jefferson will stay another year, or at least I hope not. If we can get someone in to contribute and get rid of all the dead weight, we should be back to where we were 3 years ago, assuming we are injury free.

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    Spurs could take new directions

    By Marc Stein
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...nsgame3-100508

    SAN ANTONIO -- Tim Duncan was sitting on the corridor floor, with Gregg Popovich standing over him, two unquestioned champions presumably trying to make sense of what had just happened to the team that just last week was being hailed as the most fearsome No. 7 seed in history.

    You couldn't get close enough to hear what they were saying. Yet you could safely assume that this was not the way they expected the Phoenix Suns to finally get their vengeance.

    The sight of Duncan and Popovich commiserating in a hallway outside the Spurs' locker room was the chilling picture Goran Dragic left in his wake late Friday night, after shredding the San Antonio Spurs like they belonged in his Slovenian league back home. The Suns still have to win one more game to say they've at last beaten Team Duncan in a playoff series for the first time in five tries, but good luck finding someone willing to pick these Spurs to become the first team in NBA history to recover from a 3-0 deficit after the 23-point highlight reel Dragic assembled in the final 12 minutes.

    Never in the Duncan era have the Spurs sounded as bewildered in defeat as they sounded after this 110-96 Game 3 pounding, which marked the first time in Pop's 14-season reign that San Antonio surrendered 110 points in three straight games in the postseason.

    Never did they imagine missing seven straight free throws in the first half to throw away their early momentum, ultimately blowing all of an 18-point lead and then fading away in crunch time against the speed of a tiny, sub-filled, drive-and-kick lineup ... while Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Jason Richardson led the cheers from the Suns' bench.

    Someone asked Duncan, before he made it out to his impromptu meeting with his coach in the hall, how surprised he was by all of this.

    "I still am," Duncan said.

    Exasperated teammate Manu Ginobili added: "It was kind of embarrassing. ... It's really hard not only because of the fact that we are down 3-0 [but because of] the way they are beating us.

    "In the first game, we fouled too much and they [scored] too much in transition. In Game 2, they stopped running but they beat us on offensive rebounds. Tonight we didn't foul them, they didn't beat us on the offensive boards, Amare scored seven points and they killed us anyway. That's the tough part to swallow."

    That's actually only one slice of the unsavory stuff the Spurs have to digest. There's more. Lots more.

    The short-term problem: Tony Parker, making his first start of the playoffs in this Game 3, landed hard on his shoulder after a second-quarter collision with Stoudemire -- with the hosts still up 16 -- and will undergo an MRI on Saturday to determine his status for Sunday's Game 4.

    The long-term issue, meanwhile, is how to proceed roster-wise after the Suns finish the Spurs off, which looms as an inevitability no matter how jittery Suns fans are when it comes to San Antonio, even with a 3-0 cushion.

    Owner Peter Holt sanctioned the offseason acquisitions of Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess, pushing his payroll into the $80 million range, because he believed the Duncan-Ginobili-Parker triumvirate was still a le contender if healthy. A six-game dismissal of the Spurs' longtime rivals from Dallas in the first round had finally begun to convince Holt that the investments were worth it, but the grittier-than-ever Suns' ability to grind out wins in the past two games when San Antonio shut down their running game has instead spawned the suggestion that the No. 2-seeded Mavericks would have taken out the aging No. 7 seeds if Dallas coach Rick Carlisle had simply unleashed his Dragic -- rookie guard Rodrigue Beaubois -- as so many Mavs fans lobbied for back in Big D.

    Sources with knowledge of the team's thinking say the Spurs are increasingly optimistic about their ability to inject their front line with some new blood by convincing Brazilian forward Tiago Splitter -- whom they drafted in 2007 -- to leave the European game to come to the NBA starting next season. Yet it remains to be seen how aggressive San Antonio feels it'll have to be about reshaping the rest of the roster after Jefferson's season of struggle, with Parker -- unpalatable as it sounds -- ranking as its best trade asset. The Frenchman has only one season left on his contract ($13.5 million) after this season and, according to a recent report in the San Antonio Express-News, has told friends that he's unsure about his future in town after the contract extension recently bestowed upon Ginobili and with second-year guard George Hill capable of playing the same position.

    First, though, the Spurs are going to have to get over this thorough humbling at home. Which certainly didn't sound imminent as you listened to various Spurs describe the problems they had dealing with the guard penetration and pick-and-roll success Phoenix manufactured at the start of the decisive fourth quarter with a group of Grant Hill, Jared Dudley, Channing Frye, Leandro Barbosa and Dragic on the floor.

    "We are going to have to play the perfect game," Ginobili said of possibly stealing Game 4, after the Spurs slipped into a 3-0 hole for just the third time in the history of the franchise.

    "They just killed us."

    Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

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    Agreed. Parker is gone.

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    And why would you trade your best player?


    Personally I think Manu is our best player right now.... Tony is our most reliable.

    I really don't think Jefferson will stay another year, or at least I hope not. If we can get someone in to contribute and get rid of all the dead weight, we should be back to where we were 3 years ago, assuming we are injury free.
    I think Jefferson is the main reason Parker will be gone. Trading Parker would make no sense unless the Spurs can send Jefferson along with him. This is the only reason I say I doubt Parker will come back.

    No one is taking Jefferson off the Spurs' hands just like that.

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    Spurs would be stupid to trade Parker.


    His trade value is probably at an all-time low after his injury plagued season. There is a 90% chance that Tony rebounds with a much better performance next year.

    On top of that George Hill is not a point guard.


    I like the idea of a three-guard rotation of Parker, Ginobili and Hill. The Spurs are set in the back-court. They need to focus on the front-court.

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    I thought it was gonna be a thread paying tribute to Tony...

    Here we go again!
    It's going to be a long postseason with a lot of "trade Parker" threads I guess!

    Guys, if you wanna win, YOU DON'T TRADE YOUR BEST PLAYERS!!!!!!!

    And for the RJ+Tony package argument, this is BS!!

    Both contracts end next year (so no "compensation") and if we manage to shop RJ, it will be for financial reasons (cap relief) and Tony's contract won't be necesarely needed!

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    TP isn't going anywhere unless the trade proposal is one of those that you can't turn down. And those would be very few indeed though the Paul for TP I think would qualify.

    The Spurs can't trade him unless they get another pg of his caliber in return. Otherwise it would be counter productive. Talk about hanging TD out to dry if you trade TP and not get a quality pg back. Hill isn't ready yet. This series proved it and he needs more time but ultimately I don't see him as a pg. Sixth man combo guard but primarily at sg.

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    You cant really knock Hill for only averaging 0.8 apg in the postseason, not when most of the ballhandling is being done by Manu and Parker...two proven veteran players. Taking that into consideration I'd hardly say that this postseason 'proves' that Hill cant play the PG spot. He isnt near Parker when it comes to running the point, but have some perspective--Hill is a 2nd year player, this is his 1st year with significant PT, he isnt going to immediately be Parker. He already made huge strides in a year, let the kid grow.

    You also have to consider certain things when analyzing this subject...has the Big 3's window closed? Can we still win with that formula? What guarantee is there that Parker re-signs? If he does what kind of money will he be expecting, max? Dont want to get into it too much though we have all summer to dissect this. In the meantime, props to Parker for the way he played in the postseason and for accepting coming off the bench without complaining one bit.

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    In my mind, it's pretty clear this was Parker's last game as a San Antonio Spur. I don't think anyone will say his play was a contributing factor for the Spurs to lose this year. If anything, he was one of the players who showed the most heart out there in these playoffs.

    With that being said, the Spurs' need to bring someone in combined with the play of George Hill will most likely result in the departure of Parker, the Spurs' most valuable trade asset. It's sad to see him go, but it's necessary. San Antonio will have to lose its All-Star in hopes to fill other voids.

    The only consolation is that Richard Jefferson might get attached in a Parker package. If that gets done, the Spurs can really reload themselves for a good run in 2010-11.

    Good bye, Tony Parker, 2007 NBA Finals MVP. It was a great ride and have nothing but good memories.

    Good luck.
    those turnovers but TP played his heart out tonight.

    I was surprised by Manu's game.

    I admit I wanted to kill Bonner in some instances.I wish I saw more of McDyess, instead of him. McDyess was so sad after the game( is it true he is contemplating to retire soon?hope not:). Hope he'd be back next yr.

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    no.

    After seeing the way Hill handled himself in the Suns series, no in way I want Parker gone. Hill still has long ways to go before the Spurs put him in Parker's role. And i agree with some posters here. Hill will replace Manu.

    Hill really has to dedicate his offseason to working on his defense. If he wasn't a good shooter, I would hate him as much as RJ Bonner and Mason.

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    Tony . He isn't going anywhere. Showed great heart out there tonight IMO.

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    It would actually make perfect sense to trade Parker.

    A 28 years old small guard who
    has a lot of mileage,
    a lot of bruises,
    can't play defense,
    average passer,
    can't shoot the 3,
    in his best days,
    and,
    most importantly,
    whose 12 (Twelve) ankles injury have slowed down dramatically.

    However, the Spurs FO are the most conservative folks in the league,
    and will believe that he is still one of the "Big" three.

    He is neither big, nor a three.

    So we will see a lot of Parker next year.
    At least untill the next elimination courtesy of a 37 years old SERIOUS point guard.

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    When I first saw the le; I thought this was going to be a thank you to Parker for how he did in the playoffs all the way to the end...
    Me too..

    Raising the bar!!11

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    Lol Parkers last game? nope, i dont know why you got that thought.

    I thought this thread was about thanking him for fighting untill the end yesterday and not giving up. He worked his ass off, thank you for that TP!

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    no.

    After seeing the way Hill handled himself in the Suns series, no in way I want Parker gone. Hill still has long ways to go before the Spurs put him in Parker's role. And i agree with some posters here. Hill will replace Manu.

    Hill really has to dedicate his offseason to working on his defense. If he wasn't a good shooter, I would hate him as much as RJ Bonner and Mason.

    +1

    If the PO have tought us one thing about Hill (except his 3pts "reliabli y") is that his defense is WAY overated by spurs fan (on ST)...

    He has a very atletic body, great wingspan, great potential...
    But nothing replace brain/knowledge!
    Knowing how to defend who, where to be, when to switch...
    He made a lot of mistake!

    We can all agree that Tony is lazy on D during the regular season, but when comes PO, he impresses me.

    I want the best for the Spurs andTony and a trade would be a lose /lose...

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    Who says Parker wants to stay beyond the last year of his contract?

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    It would actually make perfect sense to trade Parker.

    A 28 years old small guard who
    has a lot of mileage,
    a lot of bruises,
    can't play defense,
    average passer,
    can't shoot the 3,
    in his best days,
    and,
    most importantly,
    whose 12 (Twelve) ankles injury have slowed down dramatically.

    However, the Spurs FO are the most conservative folks in the league,
    and will believe that he is still one of the "Big" three.

    He is neither big, nor a three.

    So we will see a lot of Parker next year.
    At least untill the next elimination courtesy of a 37 years old SERIOUS point guard.
    Please. Don't throw Steve Nash in here as having some great accomplishment in this series. Nash is now 1-6 in playoff series against the Spurs including his Dallas Failures.

    Tony Parker whipped his butt time and time again through the years.

    Nash is on his last legs RIGHT NOW. His back is so bad he can't sit in a chair. He is a wonderful player and had a fine series. Still, the cheap shot on Parker by Amoron changed this series dramatically.

    Parker did a fine job out there in the playoffs given his injuries.

    None of our top three players got out of the playoffs healthy again this year, but they still managed a series win.

    Tell me any team that can overcome 46% shooting from three point for an entire series. That is the equivalent of shooting 69% from two point range. When Phoenix shoots in volume as well, that is too much to overcome.

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    In my mind, it's pretty clear this was Parker's last game as a San Antonio Spur.
    this is a joke right???

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    Please. Don't throw Steve Nash in here as having some great accomplishment in this series. Nash is now 1-6 in playoff series against the Spurs including his Dallas Failures.

    Tony Parker whipped his butt time and time again through the years.

    Nash is on his last legs RIGHT NOW. His back is so bad he can't sit in a chair. He is a wonderful player and had a fine series. Still, the cheap shot on Parker by Amoron changed this series dramatically.

    Parker did a fine job out there in the playoffs given his injuries.

    None of our top three players got out of the playoffs healthy again this year, but they still managed a series win.

    Tell me any team that can overcome 46% shooting from three point for an entire series. That is the equivalent of shooting 69% from two point range. When Phoenix shoots in volume as well, that is too much to overcome.
    It is perfectly likely that Nash will win nothing this year. More than likely.
    And Parker has won 3 les already. With a big part in all of them.

    The question is not about the past.
    The past is past, and WON'T come back.

    Quick one: can you imagine Toni Parker playing a Conference final 9 years from now? With his style of play and the ankles he has?
    I don't.
    Even 2 years from now.
    He has an expiring contract and this is a business.

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    well... i don't like the idea but what about the following starting 5:

    C: TD
    PF: All star caliber player
    SF: Jefferson
    SG: Hill
    PG: Manu

    Bottom line is, the spurs can't live with such a weak front court

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    It is perfectly likely that Nash will win nothing this year. More than likely.
    And Parker has won 3 les already. With a big part in all of them.

    The question is not about the past.
    The past is past, and WON'T come back.

    Quick one: can you imagine Toni Parker playing a Conference final 9 years from now? With his style of play and the ankles he has?
    I don't.
    Even 2 years from now.
    He has an expiring contract and this is a business.
    Can you ing imagine anyone in the current Spurs team playing 9 years from now?

    I don't think anyone would.

    To put things into perspective, we are looking at 2 year window here before the Big 3 will be blown up. Question is should you trade Parker within this 2 year window. Beyond 2 years, Manu and Tim will be gone.

    If you should trade Parker, who should you get that will better the Big 3 combo with Tim and Manu.

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    well... i don't like the idea but what about the following starting 5:

    C: TD
    PF: All star caliber player
    SF: Jefferson
    SG: Hill
    PG: Manu

    Bottom line is, the spurs can't live with such a weak front court
    The fact that you would trade Parker instead of Jefferson is ing beyond me. How can that be true?

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...nsgame3-100508

    SAN ANTONIO -- Tim Duncan was sitting on the corridor floor, with Gregg Popovich standing over him, two unquestioned champions presumably trying to make sense of what had just happened to the team that just last week was being hailed as the most fearsome No. 7 seed in history.

    You couldn't get close enough to hear what they were saying. Yet you could safely assume that this was not the way they expected the Phoenix Suns to finally get their vengeance.

    The sight of Duncan and Popovich commiserating in a hallway outside the Spurs' locker room was the chilling picture Goran Dragic left in his wake late Friday night, after shredding the San Antonio Spurs like they belonged in his Slovenian league back home. The Suns still have to win one more game to say they've at last beaten Team Duncan in a playoff series for the first time in five tries, but good luck finding someone willing to pick these Spurs to become the first team in NBA history to recover from a 3-0 deficit after the 23-point highlight reel Dragic assembled in the final 12 minutes.

    Never in the Duncan era have the Spurs sounded as bewildered in defeat as they sounded after this 110-96 Game 3 pounding, which marked the first time in Pop's 14-season reign that San Antonio surrendered 110 points in three straight games in the postseason.

    Never did they imagine missing seven straight free throws in the first half to throw away their early momentum, ultimately blowing all of an 18-point lead and then fading away in crunch time against the speed of a tiny, sub-filled, drive-and-kick lineup ... while Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Jason Richardson led the cheers from the Suns' bench.

    Someone asked Duncan, before he made it out to his impromptu meeting with his coach in the hall, how surprised he was by all of this.

    "I still am," Duncan said.

    Exasperated teammate Manu Ginobili added: "It was kind of embarrassing. ... It's really hard not only because of the fact that we are down 3-0 [but because of] the way they are beating us.

    "In the first game, we fouled too much and they [scored] too much in transition. In Game 2, they stopped running but they beat us on offensive rebounds. Tonight we didn't foul them, they didn't beat us on the offensive boards, Amare scored seven points and they killed us anyway. That's the tough part to swallow."

    That's actually only one slice of the unsavory stuff the Spurs have to digest. There's more. Lots more.

    The short-term problem: Tony Parker, making his first start of the playoffs in this Game 3, landed hard on his shoulder after a second-quarter collision with Stoudemire -- with the hosts still up 16 -- and will undergo an MRI on Saturday to determine his status for Sunday's Game 4.

    The long-term issue, meanwhile, is how to proceed roster-wise after the Suns finish the Spurs off, which looms as an inevitability no matter how jittery Suns fans are when it comes to San Antonio, even with a 3-0 cushion.

    Owner Peter Holt sanctioned the offseason acquisitions of Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess, pushing his payroll into the $80 million range, because he believed the Duncan-Ginobili-Parker triumvirate was still a le contender if healthy. A six-game dismissal of the Spurs' longtime rivals from Dallas in the first round had finally begun to convince Holt that the investments were worth it, but the grittier-than-ever Suns' ability to grind out wins in the past two games when San Antonio shut down their running game has instead spawned the suggestion that the No. 2-seeded Mavericks would have taken out the aging No. 7 seeds if Dallas coach Rick Carlisle had simply unleashed his Dragic -- rookie guard Rodrigue Beaubois -- as so many Mavs fans lobbied for back in Big D.

    Sources with knowledge of the team's thinking say the Spurs are increasingly optimistic about their ability to inject their front line with some new blood by convincing Brazilian forward Tiago Splitter -- whom they drafted in 2007 -- to leave the European game to come to the NBA starting next season. Yet it remains to be seen how aggressive San Antonio feels it'll have to be about reshaping the rest of the roster after Jefferson's season of struggle, with Parker -- unpalatable as it sounds -- ranking as its best trade asset. The Frenchman has only one season left on his contract ($13.5 million) after this season and, according to a recent report in the San Antonio Express-News, has told friends that he's unsure about his future in town after the contract extension recently bestowed upon Ginobili and with second-year guard George Hill capable of playing the same position.

    First, though, the Spurs are going to have to get over this thorough humbling at home. Which certainly didn't sound imminent as you listened to various Spurs describe the problems they had dealing with the guard penetration and pick-and-roll success Phoenix manufactured at the start of the decisive fourth quarter with a group of Grant Hill, Jared Dudley, Channing Frye, Leandro Barbosa and Dragic on the floor.

    "We are going to have to play the perfect game," Ginobili said of possibly stealing Game 4, after the Spurs slipped into a 3-0 hole for just the third time in the history of the franchise.

    "They just killed us."

    Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

    Parker is so going to L.A

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    Parker is so going to L.A
    you wish

    Parker is going nowhere.

    Only possible trade is for an elite PG. As stated 50000 times Hill is a pure SG, Manu cannot run the point a whole season because he will loose his Offensive mojo, Spurs have no time to develop a young PG and you don't trade your most reliable PO player offensively and yes defensively.

    Next year, TP and Hill will start, Manu will come off the bench. Spurs will try to improve the roster around the big 3 + blair + hill + maybe Ian, Temple and Hairston. If we land Splitter, the biggest work will be what to do with RJ (odds are RJ will stay) then work well the draft and sign some FAs for Mason, Bonner and Dice (if he retires) spots.

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