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dunno how you can make demands when the team struggle to qualify the WC...fkn wankers
for further reading and reflection...
http://www.coha.org/nearly-all-white...eligious-past/
Nearly All-White Argentina Confronts Its Troubled Racist and Religious Past
by COHA Director Larry Birns and Research Associate Michael Glenwick
■Tuesday's manifestation by the indigenous in Buenos Aires proclaimed that neglect of the country's first people must not be ignored.
■Land raids in the indigenous area of Chaco leads to protests and later charges that over 20 inhabitants of the impoverished province have died from hunger and malnutrition.
■Argentina's Jewish Community tries to assimilate in the face of intolerance.
■Indigenous as well as non-indigenous minority groups—including Afro-Argentines, resident indigenous from neighboring countries, and Islamic migrants from the Middle East—have been met with intolerance and abuse.
■Cristina should apologize to BAYS
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Conclusion
In a country whose population is probably more genous than any other in the Western Hemisphere, incorporating minority groups into Argentine society historically has proven to be no easy task. Moreover, it would be accurate to say that many Argentines, up to now, have not demonstrated the sort of commitment or willingness to remedying past prejudice and narrow-mindedness that might be expected from what's ostensibly a sophisticated and so-called Europeanized nation. The result has been occasional acts of discrimination and disfavor, whereas for others—like the Afro-Argentines—racial intolerance and the idea of a white society has isolated and suppressed a long-abused segment of the population.
It should not be ignored that the outgoing government has taken certain positive steps toward improved race relations in the country and is now acknowledging the existence and needs of the country's many minority groups. For example, the past few years have been the first in recent memory in which no major anti-black/racist crimes were committed. In a similar vein, after the aforementioned boycott of Chinese-owned stores had been called, Interior Minister Aníbal Fernández played an essential role in negotiating an end to the boycott, as the government recognized the potential that a prolonged stoppage could have on its economic and social stability. And of course, the recent election of Christina Kirchner has raised hopes in Argentina's Jewish (and other minority) communities that a more tolerant society may not be far off. Facing increased immigration and the general trends of globalization, as well as prospects for a more enlightened era that now seems to be unfolding, Argentina inevitably is scheduled to become a more diverse society where rec ude can be expected to be more increasingly found
dunno how you can make demands when the team struggle to qualify the WC...fkn wankers
Things like these are the reason why everybody in here thinks you aren't very smart.
Seriously, why the are you bothering arguing with nkdlunch about Argentina? This is the same dumbass that likened Argentina's situation to that of Bagdhad. Dude doesn't know what the he is talking about, as per usual.
Yeah Argentina has racism. So does Mexico, Brazil, Chile, EE.UU. To claim Argentina is somehow a racist country as a whole is not only ing ignorant, it shows a real lack of common sense.
link of that? typical argentine making up cause he can't dispute the facts
My bad, I just checked it was Aggie Hoopsfan. This was the post. I apologize, you never said that.link of that? typical argentine making up cause he can't dispute the facts
You're still being a monumental ing idiot, but you are absolutely right, no never said that.
@ the "typical Argentine" how many times have you traveled over there you stupid ??
typical. Now since you don't have proof of your lies you start with name calling and insults. Argentines are so predictable even on the internets.My bad, I just checked it was Aggie Hoopsfan. This was the post. I apologize, you never said that.
You're still being a monumental ing idiot, but you are absolutely right, no never said that.
And I have been to Argentina about 5 times, my Pops lived there. Great city once I turn off my racism radar.
You keep coming with the same bull over and over again or with isolated incidents, I never said there isn't racist people in Argentina but the % of that kind of people isn't bigger than in any other country. You will find that kind of awful actions everywhere but that doesn't mean that the majority of the people is racist.
I can come up with lots of examples for every country, does this mean that the whole world is racist?
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What facts might those be? 'cause so far you've only made ascertions based solely on your opinion. There are no facts 'cause you haven't been able to bring any.
Yeah, calling an entire country racist isn't an insult. At least I'm not calling everybody from "wherever the you came from" names. I'm targeting your ignorant ass.typical. Now since you don't have proof of your lies you start with name calling and insults. Argentines are so predictable even on the internets.
And I have been to Argentina about 5 times, my Pops lived there. Great city once I turn off my racism radar.
I swear, if nkdlunch turns out to be American, I'm going to laugh my ing ass off
factand
What facts might those be? 'cause so far you've only made ascertions based solely on your opinion. There are no facts 'cause you haven't been able to bring any.
here is a video of a colombian player brought to tears due to Argentine racism:
http://depor.pe/noticia/461985/colom...stas-argentina
fact
another example is the chant by fans River Plate, San Lorenzo y Vélez Sársfield when they play Boca (a team whose fans are immigrants):
"you are half of one, you are from Bolivia and Paraguay
I ask sometimes, you dirty negro do you bathe?
I am so disgusted, wash your ass with alcohol"
fact
Article 25: The Federal Government will encourage European immigration; and will not restrict, limit, nor tax the entry of any foreigner into the territory of Argentina who comes with the goal of working the land, bettering industry, or introducing or teaching sciences or the arts.
Alberdi, the article's sponsor and the father of the Argentine Cons ution of 1853, explained in his own words the basis for White-European discrimination:
If you were to put the roto (literally "broken"), the gaucho, the cholo, the basic element of our popular masses, through the finest educational system; in one hundred years you would not make him an English worker who works, consumes, and lives comfortably and in a dignified manner[26]
fact
factIn this cultural context, fans of one of the most well-known football clubs in the country regularly sing in unison a song aimed at denigrating the fans of one of the club's classic rival (Boca Juniors), calling them " negroes from Bolivia and Paraguay" [41].
Another well-known incident was the racially motivated murder of Marcelina Meneses and her ten month old son Josua Torrez who were pushed under a moving train near the Avellaneda station on July 10, 2001. The Bolivian community in Argentina protested with the slogan "Do not forget Marcelina".[42]
fact
■Tuesday's manifestation by the indigenous in Buenos Aires proclaimed that neglect of the country's first people must not be ignored.
■Land raids in the indigenous area of Chaco leads to protests and later charges that over 20 inhabitants of the impoverished province have died from hunger and malnutrition.
■Argentina's Jewish Community tries to assimilate in the face of intolerance.
■Indigenous as well as non-indigenous minority groups—including Afro-Argentines, resident indigenous from neighboring countries, and Islamic migrants from the Middle East—have been met with intolerance and abuse.
■Cristina should apologize to BAYS
I did not call the entire coutry racist. Read again.
I gotta agree that the racism in Argentina is extreme and a daily occurrence. Argentines are famous to say "there is no racism here because there is no black ppl here"
Where are you from nkdlunch? I want to see this racism free country where you come from that enables you to label an entire country racist because of a few incidents.
that will be revealed in due time. But is not relevant in this conversation.
But I agree all countries have racism. But in some, the goverment and culture accept and support this racism. Argentina is one of those countries.
Hopefully things will change.
No, please tell me, I want to know. You're implying that you "have to turn off your racism radar" to come over here, which must mean that wherever you come from racism isn't enough of a problem to affect your sensibilities. I want to know where that is. Otherwise, I'd be forced to assume you are just another hipocrite.
No one is saying Argenina doesn't have racism, you are the idiot claiming we are somehow a lot worst than other places.
I'm guessing you don't want to tell where you're from 'cause you're afraid I'm just as likely to find just about the same bull you've found about Argentina. In other words, you'll have no point to stand on.
If you must know I have been living in the East Coast for 15 years.
nkdlunch is a head you guys shouldn't take him seriously.
Article 20 of the Cons ution- Foreigners enjoy within the territory of the Nation all the civil rights of citizens, they may excersice their industry, trade and profession, own real property, buy and sell it, navigate the rivers and coasts, practice freely their religion, make wills and marry under the laws. They are not obliged to accept citizenship nor to pay extraordinary compulsory taxes. They may obtain naturalization papers residing two inuntirrumped years in the Nation, but the authorities may shorten this term in favor of those so requesting it, alleging and proving services rendered to the Republic.
Is this more racist than kicking people out of your country or having guys in the border shooting Mexicans?
there we go with the insults again. But how can I be surprised, it appears you are French.
France is not far behind Argentina in racism coming from the culture and goverment:
France: Law And Order--Or Racism?
http://www.newsweek.com/1993/04/18/f...or-racism.html
In a Paris police station last week, a 17-year-old Zairean immigrant suspected of stealing a pack of cigarettes from a corner store was shot dead by a police inspector. The next day in a town in northern France, a police officer fatally shot a 17-year-old Arab youth while pursuing him on su ion of trespassing. In southwestern France on the same day, a 32-year-old Arab, charged with disorderly conduct, died in police custody. In the first two incidents, the police said their guns went off accidentally. In the third case, police claimed the man had ruptured his own spleen with self-inflicted blows. But hundreds of angry youths saw a pattern of racism. They poured into Paris streets for two nights, damaging 30 cars, smashing windows and clashing with police.
To French civil-rights groups, the deaths seemed a sinister omen, coming just a week after a new conservative government took office. Many right-wing candidates had campaigned on a law-and-order platform that usually mentioned crime and immigrants in the same breath. The new interior minister Charles Pasqua, established a reputation for being tough on immigrants during his previous tenure from 1986 to 1988. Some police advocates argue that the problem is not racism; they cite low police morale and stressful working conditions. "We did not receive a hunting license or a message to toughen up from the new interior minister," said Paul-Henri Sanchez, head of a right-wing police union. Late in the week, the officers involved in the two shootings were indicted and Pasqua met with the father of one victim and a civil-rights leader. But he reaffirmed that the government would I 'support the forces of order.
OK, I'm done. Is obvious that this guy has some problems.
yes, lots of policemen are stupid. And the article is from 1993. And what's your point exactly?
and who doesn't?
ok I'm done too. I will leave you with this little food for thought....
From a review of the do entary “Afroargentinos”
Carlos Menem, whose ten-year tenure as Argentina’s president ended in 1999 just before his macroeconomic policies led to the collapse of the economy, was asked, during a tour of the United States, about whether Argentina had any citizens of African descent. He responded, “No, we have no blacks. Brazil has that problem.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro_Argentine
The black population resulting from the slave trade during the centuries of Spanish domination of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata had a major role in Argentine history. Throughout the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, it comprised up to fifty per cent of the population in some provinces and had a deep impact on national culture.
What happened to the black population in Argentina?
Causes of reduction
Among the reasons expressed are:
Heavy casualties caused by the constant civil wars and foreign wars: Blacks formed a disproportionate part of the Argentine army in the long and bloody War of Paraguay (1865-1870), in which the loss of lives on both sides were high. The official historiography maintains that this resulted in the disappearance of the black population, while the genocide claims contend that the disproportionate recruitment was intentional.
Epidemics, especially of yellow fever in 1871: the traditional history holds that the epidemics had greater impact in areas where the poorest people lived, whereas the vision that sustains the existence of a genocide underlines the repressive mechanisms that enabled upper-class groups to leave the affected areas at the same time, forcing African Argentines to stay locked up and thus aggravate health conditions.
Emigration, particularly to Uruguay and Brazil, where black populations had historically been larger and had a more favorable political climate;
The massive immigration from Europe between 1850 and 1950, boosted by the Cons ution of 1853, that quickly multiplied the country's population. Like Australia in the 1950s to 1980's, European immigrants were encouraged while non-Europeans were virtually excluded.
There are a growing number of historians in academia which look to the possible act of racial genocide on the part of the Argentine government.[8] Former Argentine President Domingo Sarmiento advocated forced population reductions of the black population in Argentina. While direct evidence of any such action is very limited, research into the unseemingly swift population reduction for blacks over a very short amount of time, lack of actualized census evidence of intermarriage between blacks and whites in Argentina, and investigations finding evidence of later commissions of genocide toward native populations, as well as executions by the Argentine government toward the nations small Native American population gives slight credence to the possibility of the subject. [9] [10]
Menem is a ing idiot, everybody knows that, and in this case in particular he's specially re ed considering that he is "moreno" too.
Mmmh, that reminds me of something.
Again a few people's actions does not equal a whole Nation, specially not from corrupt oligarch ones.in which the loss of lives on both sides were high. The official historiography maintains that this resulted in the disappearance of the black population, while the genocide claims contend that the disproportionate recruitment was intentional.
Epidemics, especially of yellow fever in 1871: the traditional history holds that the epidemics had greater impact in areas where the poorest people lived, whereas the vision that sustains the existence of a genocide underlines the repressive mechanisms that enabled upper-class groups to leave the affected areas at the same time, forcing African Argentines to stay locked up and thus aggravate health conditions.
Emigration, particularly to Uruguay and Brazil, where black populations had historically been larger and had a more favorable political climate;
The massive immigration from Europe between 1850 and 1950, boosted by the Cons ution of 1853, that quickly multiplied the country's population. Like Australia in the 1950s to 1980's, European immigrants were encouraged while non-Europeans were virtually excluded.
There are a growing number of historians in academia which look to the possible act of racial genocide on the part of the Argentine government.[8] Former Argentine President Domingo Sarmiento advocated forced population reductions of the black population in Argentina. While direct evidence of any such action is very limited, research into the unseemingly swift population reduction for blacks over a very short amount of time, lack of actualized census evidence of intermarriage between blacks and whites in Argentina, and investigations finding evidence of later commissions of genocide toward native populations, as well as executions by the Argentine government toward the nations small Native American population gives slight credence to the possibility of the subject. [9] [10]
Are you American? 'cause if you are, I don't think you should be lecturing anyone on racism. Seriously now.
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