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    Rugged like Rwanda SpursNextRomanEmpire's Avatar
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    R.I.P. John Wooden, its a sad day

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    Russ, and others: learn about a man named Sam Gilbert, Wooden's money man. He was to Wooden what World-Wide Wes is to John Calipari.

    "But facts are facts. And the fact is, Wooden was at UCLA for 15 years, from 1948-63, without winning an NCAA championship. And then from 1964-76 he won 10 les in 12 years. What changed? Sam Gilbert's involvement changed. "

    From here.
    Okay, that's it.

    Don't lecture me about who or what John Wooden was.

    I went to USC (the natural rival of UCLA). Not only that, I was actually a student at USC when Wooden was still coaching. (I'm really old, man.)

    I hated UCLA. Rooted against them every one of those championships. I was hoping Jacksonville with Artis Gilmore and Pembrook Burrows III would beat thenm in the NCAA Finals. Nope.

    I wsa hoping Larry Kenon and Memphis State would beat them. But no.

    I do not have much in common with John Wooden.

    He's a Bruin, I'm a Trojan.

    He's a devout believer, not me.

    He thought that a structured set of beliefs could provide all answers. I disagree with that that kind of thinking (to put it mildly).

    Kareem Jabbar (a Muslim) did not like the fact that Wooden referred to his team as a "group of fine Christian young men." (Nor did one or two Jewish players.)

    Wooden had dress and hair codes (much to the chagrin of Bill Walton).

    Wooden was actually pretty narrow-minded by today's standards.

    But all those guys (when they settled down) really appreciated the man. (Can you honestly say the same of Derrick Rose and Calipari?)

    And, yes, I know who Sam Gilbert was. He was my ace in the hole every time I debated college basketball with my Bruin friends.

    But when push came to shove, I think Wooden really cared about his players and taught them a good bit more than basketball (and, trust me, the cynical part of me has a hard time saying that).

    For example, the fabulously successful John Wooden lived in a modest apartment from the time he was coach at UCLA until the end.

    The most money he ever made, as I recall, was about $12,000 a year. And, even factoring in inflation, he could have made a lot more.

    And finally, timing is everything --let's pay some respect to a Bruin that even a Trojan could appreciate and maybe even revere.

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    Nice piece, with some video tributes too.

    Legendary John Wooden dead at 99

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    This is the problem with Americans nowadays. They want their plum fairy-tale fantasies. I already told you, the guy was well-respected and I wish him peace. But for God's sake, let's not say he's the greatest or anything. CAN'T WE FOR ONCE RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CHEAT???

    There are people who die every day and toil in semi-obscurity who DO NOT CHEAT. Let's leave our true condolences to those honorable souls.

    RIP Wooden. But let's be honest with ourselves. Or are we so blinkered we want our stupid porcelain fantasies?
    You're an asshole, but we already knew that.

    man, just scroll.

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    Excellent article from cnnsi.

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    This is the problem with Americans nowadays. They want their plum fairy-tale fantasies. I already told you, the guy was well-respected and I wish him peace. But for God's sake, let's not say he's the greatest or anything. CAN'T WE FOR ONCE RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CHEAT???

    There are people who die every day and toil in semi-obscurity who DO NOT CHEAT. Let's leave our true condolences to those honorable souls.

    RIP Wooden. But let's be honest with ourselves. Or are we so blinkered we want our stupid porcelain fantasies?
    wtf???? you're an asshole AND an idiot. not a rare combination though. you're just throwing out there to be controversial. if it was Michael Jackson, then you would have a point but it's John Wooden. you are just providing fodder for those who want to do away with freedom of speech. now shut up and go back to watching gay porn.

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    Wooden was a gentle, good man who had a tremendous weakness -- he didn't say anything about the enormous advantage he got through others cheating on his behalf. Yes, this makes him a cheater. He was a good ambassador for the game and people genuinely liked him. Let's respect that. But let's go ahead and put in the work to wipe UCLA's championships off the board, the ones that deserve to be wiped out, the way they should have years ago.

    There were other teams and coaches who did not cheat who deserve, much belatedly, to have their names in the record books instead.

    No amount of you looking away will change this. And when a public figure passes away, this is precisely when it should be discussed. Nixon's obituary surely mentioned Watergate, and it should have. That is part of who he was, and who we were and still are.

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    John Wooden was the greatest coach of all time. Let the small-minded, small-penised haters hate. They only succeed in making themselves look stupid and petty.

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    Russ, and others: learn about a man named Sam Gilbert, Wooden's money man. He was to Wooden what World-Wide Wes is to John Calipari.

    "But facts are facts. And the fact is, Wooden was at UCLA for 15 years, from 1948-63, without winning an NCAA championship. And then from 1964-76 he won 10 les in 12 years. What changed? Sam Gilbert's involvement changed. "

    From here.
    This is the problem with Americans nowadays. They want their plum fairy-tale fantasies. I already told you, the guy was well-respected and I wish him peace. But for God's sake, let's not say he's the greatest or anything. CAN'T WE FOR ONCE RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CHEAT???

    There are people who die every day and toil in semi-obscurity who DO NOT CHEAT. Let's leave our true condolences to those honorable souls.

    RIP Wooden. But let's be honest with ourselves. Or are we so blinkered we want our stupid porcelain fantasies?
    Is there a perma-pink available for this head?

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    No amount of you looking away will change this. And when a public figure passes away, this is precisely when it should be discussed. Nixon's obituary surely mentioned Watergate, and it should have. That is part of who he was, and who we were and still are.
    your mom licks balls. lots of them.

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    “A bell is no bell ’til you ring it.
    A song is no song ’til you sing it.
    And love in your heart wasn’t meant to stay
    Love is not love ’til you give it away.”

    From Joe Posnanski's SI article on Wooden:

    http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010...oden-and-love/

    "I bring this up here because I have spent much of the morning listening him to say those lyrics from memory — if you go to the Web site, you can hear John Wooden recite those words. And in reciting them, of course, he infuses them with meaning beyond what even Oscar Hammerstein probably intended. That’s what John Wooden did in his 99 years. He infused life with meaning. He found essence in the haze. He won a lot of basketball games without ever thinking that winning was the point. And he gave away a lot of love."

    Damn straight. A great man that lived a great life. Cheers to him and condolences to his loved ones.

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