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Algerian goalie and ghezzal are currently tied for worst Algerian player.
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Robert green for england
Algerian goalie and ghezzal are currently tied for worst Algerian player.
if you look at the qualifying campaign, argentina did much better in the games riquelme played than the ones he didnt. messi was on the pitch the first time we lost to chile in an international match, riquelme wasnt. i shouldnt have to explain the importance of having a player who can make a freekick.
why didnt veron play the 06 WC? oh right, because every single person in argentina tarred and feathered him for the same things riquelme gets accused of- having his own cliques in the team (for ex, sorin fight), being a quitter/lazy (BOTH 98 and 02 WC), being confrontational with reporters, being injury prone. The only thing you can pin on riquelme is "retiring" from the team, but IMO only the first time counts. the second time maradona mishandled the situation and if I recall Manu said he would have done the same. How many of us consider him a diva? bottomline if you know riquelme you know he loves to play ball, the guy would play pick up games in the middle of the season because he wanted more. just because he doesnt smile the whole game doesnt mean he doesnt like being out there.
the argument is kind of stupid because I have always liked veron and defended him a lot for the 02 debacle. i'm not saying riquelme is god and veron is . i'm saying riquelme would bring something valuable to this team that veron can no longer do. riquelme is now the scapegoat for 06, but when he was on the pitch we were beating germany. he came off and we got tied. and italy beat germany playing the exact same style we did, the difference wasnt pirlo being a better playmaker or or a well executed freekick, it was their defense being more solid and a lucky ass outside shot from grosso.
and its quite sorry how everyone has to call me a boca fan. maybe i should just say you are all river fans and thats why you hate riquelme? do you really want to go there? at least el nono and chungoman brought a take.
andat calling guardiola a tactician. van gaal and mourihno are tacticians. guardiola is a motivator.
and i'm still waiting to see who was going to take the job over diego. so far i've only heard bianchi- we all know he rejected the job numerous times, he must be a traitor like riquelme right? and if bianchi WAS coach, you know who he'd pick for playmaker (hint, it starts with an R)
oh, and FYI: jonas gutierrez started his career at velez sarsfield playing sideback. he got moved to another position for a reason, but it is false to say he never played that position, he played it for a long time (a long time ago and on a lower level, but he played it).
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and i apologize to lefty, re-reading the thread i realize i mistook a post of TDMVPDPOY as his, lefty is not the idiot that thinks england can win the WC, sorry about that
if you look at the qualifying campaign, argentina did much better in the games riquelme played than the ones he didnt. messi was on the pitch the first time we lost to chile in an international match, riquelme wasnt. i shouldnt have to explain the importance of having a player who can make a freekick.
why didnt veron play the 06 WC? oh right, because every single person in argentina tarred and feathered him for the same things riquelme gets accused of- having his own cliques in the team (for ex, sorin fight), being a quitter/lazy (BOTH 98 and 02 WC), being confrontational with reporters, being injury prone. The only thing you can pin on riquelme is "retiring" from the team, but IMO only the first time counts. the second time maradona mishandled the situation and if I recall Manu said he would have done the same. How many of us consider him a diva? bottomline if you know riquelme you know he loves to play ball, the guy would play pick up games in the middle of the season because he wanted more. just because he doesnt smile the whole game doesnt mean he doesnt like being out there.
the argument is kind of stupid because I have always liked veron and defended him a lot for the 02 debacle. i'm not saying riquelme is god and veron is . i'm saying riquelme would bring something valuable to this team that veron can no longer do. riquelme is now the scapegoat for 06, but when he was on the pitch we were beating germany. he came off and we got tied. and italy beat germany playing the exact same style we did, the difference wasnt pirlo being a better playmaker or or a well executed freekick, it was their defense being more solid and a lucky ass outside shot from grosso.
and its quite sorry how everyone has to call me a boca fan. maybe i should just say you are all river fans and thats why you hate riquelme? do you really want to go there? at least el nono and chungoman brought a take.
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and i'm still waiting to see who was going to take the job over diego. so far i've only heard bianchi- we all know he rejected the job numerous times, he must be a traitor like riquelme right? and if bianchi WAS coach, you know who he'd pick for playmaker (hint, it starts with an R)
oh, and FYI: jonas gutierrez started his career at velez sarsfield playing sideback. he got moved to another position for a reason, but it is false to say he never played that position, he played it for a long time (a long time ago and on a lower level, but he played it).
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and i apologize to lefty, re-reading the thread i realize i mistook a post of TDMVPDPOY as his, lefty is not the idiot that thinks england can win the WC, sorry about that
Riquelme never did with the Argie shirt, the only ones that about him needing to be in the team are Boca fans. And go figure, you're a Boca fan.
And about Maradona, if you want a name, Hiddink said he would have loved to be the coach of the Argentinian NT, of course he was never offered the position 'cause Grondona already knew that Maradona was going to be the coach even before Basile quitted.
Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion. I'm personally glad we're past the Riquelme era in the NT.
And Bianchi will never coach the NT. So the point is really moot.
riquelme led the 06 team to its best finish since 98, zanetti and cambiasso have done what exactly? i'll give zanetti the goal against england in 98, and he is solid. but cambiasso, whatever. riquelme was very good in the 07 copa america, and he was very good in the 06 qualys, 06 wc, and 08 olympics. the few times we've been able to beat brazil in the past 5 years, riquelme was at the heart of it. but i guess you guys are right, only boca fans like him, its not like he played for pasarella (even though he was young and unproven), bielsa (who took him out in favor of aimar, that really worked out well) pekerman, basile, maradona, barca, villareal, and now brazilian teams are trying to sign him. they are all boca fans at heart, thats why they have pity for him and gave him a chance.
2010 qualifiers with riquelme : 4 wins, 4 ties, one loss
2010 qualifiers without riquelme: 4 wins, 5 losses (including first time loss to chile and 6-1 loss to bolivia). but according to daf and manumaniac, riquelme was the one holding the team back? oh right, it's maradona's fault. but shouldnt you maradona haters be celebrating the fact that maradona took riquelme's deadweight off of poor messi's back? get your story straight guys.
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hiddink is a mercenary, and I would NEVER hire a foreigner to coach the team. Its not xenophobia, its a NATIONAL team.
Riquelme didn't lead in '06, the only game where he played OK was in the opener, then he sucked so much that even Pekerman (one of Riquelme's biggest homers) had to take him out in the most important match of the WC for us. Boca fans are quick to criticize Messi for never doing in the NT but they don't realize that he has done the same or more than Riquelme in a lot less years.
I wouldn't have hired a foreign coach either, I'm just refuting your comical argument that nobody wanted to take the Argentine NT coaching job.
P/S: I'm not a Maradona hater, I hope he wins it all of course, I just give my opinion when I think he commited an error, the same way I praise him when I agree with his decisions, do some research you'll find a lot of posts of me saying that Maradona was right with some decisions he made. You, on the other hand seem to be a Maradona worshiper, and nothing that he does seems to be wrong in your eyes.
i already said, i disagree with how he handled riquelme, and there are a few players i would replace. i think he is recognizing his strengths and weaknesses by keeping bilardo around and basically reducing his role to motivator, and i think he's recognizing the rosters strengths and weaknesses by playing offensive football instead of trying to dominate the midfield. i think a coach like lavolpe or batista (the realistic alternatives to maradona at the time) would get the floor cut out from underneath them by the players and the media, and that maradona doesnt have that problem.
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and i just remembered who said that winning doesnt make you right (in response to veron talking , no less). thus far its quite clear that you are a river fan, and your current coach said that. he also said riquelme is the best player in argentina and that he is indispensable on any team. i guess your team's coach is an idiot too.
Riquelme played like crap against Germany, if he hadn't, Pekerman wouldn't have changed him. No other way around it.i already said, i disagree with how he handled riquelme, and there are a few players i would replace. i think he is recognizing his strengths and weaknesses by keeping bilardo around and basically reducing his role to motivator, and i think he's recognizing the rosters strengths and weaknesses by playing offensive football instead of trying to dominate the midfield. i think a coach like lavolpe or batista (the realistic alternatives to maradona at the time) would get the floor cut out from underneath them by the players and the media, and that maradona doesnt have that problem.
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and i just remembered who said that winning doesnt make you right (in response to veron talking , no less). thus far its quite clear that you are a river fan, and your current coach said that. he also said riquelme is the best player in argentina and that he is indispensable on any team. i guess your team's coach is an idiot too.
I agree, winning doesn't make you right, but who's arguing that? I'm saying that Riquelme isn't a world class player anymore (when was the last time he did something significant in a football pitch?) and playing for Argentina he never did much other than a couple of good games here and there. I would also like to see the link to prove that he was selected the best player in the game against Serbia, I think you're making up. I think Saviola was chosen the best player in that game, either way, it doesn't change the fact that in the grand scheme of that WC, Riquelme wasn't a difference maker.
I used to like him, but he's done now, he spends more time injured than playing and when he plays he can't even make a difference in a B league like ours, unlike Veron.
cant choose, can i offer team australia hahaha
I been busy, and this is almost dead, but you accused me of making up, so:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...cup2006.sport8If he plays well Argentina play well, and two days ago, beneath the closed roof of the magnificent Stadium AufSchalke in Gelsenkirchen, Riquelme offered those of us fortunate enough to be there a masterclass in how to move and pass and thus dictate a game. The players of Serbia & Montenegro, thrashed 6-0, could do little but look on in baffled fascination as Riquelme, the Fifa man of the match even though he did not score, destroyed them with the brilliant simplicity of his passing and movement.
and, roughly paraphrased for the non spanish readers
http://de-buen-pie.blogspot.com/2010...r-algunos.htmlGood footy palate
Said Iniesta: "I like to watch Riquelme, I had the luck to spend time with him and play with him, he's among the best i've seen".
Said Cappa: "Riquelme the player to me is the best there is by experience in argentine futbol. He has a great knowledge of the game, skill and pause. The pause is speed in futbol. Without pause futbol is crashing. He sets people up, has personality. To me he is indispensable in any team including the arg national team. I'm on the side of those who believe he is among the best players, that he has to play on any club and the national team."
posted may 2nd, though I believe he said it at the start of the season. but its a pretty clear endorsement, do you agree or disagree with it?
if you think he is injured and done, fine. but the people that act like he killed the team are reactionaries (thats why I laugh that the same people that celebrate riquelme being gone tend to be the ones that despise maradona- parrot the media much?).
the 06 germany game, riquelme had the team winning, and he kept possession of the ball while the germans hammered him. you think its a coincidence he was taken off a minute after we subbed our goalie? pekerman realized the germans were going to attack the sub goalie and didnt have faith in riquelme, thinking with him tired and getting no love from the refs might lose one of those balls and give them a counter attack so he brought cambiasso in to try and shore up the back. argentina lost control of the tempo shortly after, and cambiasso failed to shore up the back, and germany scored. to make matters worse, cambiasso failed a penalty riquelme would have took (the first no less, instead of ayala choking right off the bat). its no guarantee he would have made it, and its no guarantee that he would have been able to put the match to sleep (though he's done it many times before for boca especially in the libertadores- just takes the ball and takes her for a nap). but that loss was not his fault, his +/- that game was 1 (and he was involved in the goal).
and you know his freekicks are substantially better than anyone else on the team. that is extremely valuable in a single elimination tournament. but he is injured anyway, so i'm done arguing.
Last edited by diego; 06-14-2010 at 11:06 PM.
Stop excusing Riquelme. We watched the same game. Besides taking the corner kick when we scored, he disappeared. He does that often enough, and since the team is built for him, you're done.
He's a guy that could never be part of any team. The team had to be built around him. Exactly why he only lasted a few months in Barcelona and was never signed up by any major club in the world and had to head back home.
He always has been extremely talented, but very egoistical and with a very ty personality.
He had his opportunity with Pekerman and Basile. It's time to move on...
EPIC FAIL!!! hahaha dumbass sayin heinze sucks only to have him score the only goal....hes better than messi hahaha
I did mention eating my crow in the game thread...
Well for Denmark the worst player has to be Simon Poulsen after his own goal against Holland. He better not see anymore playing time.
Poulsen redeemed himself after saving another goal on the line though...
you talking about maradona or riquelme?
and re: the germany game, basically you guys are arguing that argentina should have won at least 2-0. you guys are arguing that the team being up 1-0 wasnt good enough, because argentina was clearly superior to germany. you obviously feel the refs had nothing to do with it because you blame it all on riquelme, even though he wasnt on the field when we went down. are you saying that team would have beat germany had cambiasso (or messi or whoever) started in riquelme's place? please, elaborate. no matter how ty you are arguing riquelme's game was, he had his team up 1 with control of the ball with 12 minutes left. please explain to me what was so bad about his game.
If you wouldn't be so busy changing the subject of the argument, you would realize that all we're saying is that Riquelme didn't play well against Germany, and even the biggest Riquelme homer would agree with that.
so now he didnt play well against germany, before it was that he sucked and never did in an argie shirt. whatever. I said that riquelme would add to this team, and you, manumaniac, elnono and chungoman immediately started scoffing without ever addressing the arguments I made in riquelme's favor. and to top it off you and manumaniac are butthurt about cambiasso and zanetti not being there, when if anyone had "an opportunity and now its time to move on", its them.
Cambiasso and Zanetti are playing at a world class level right now, Riquelme can't even play two games in a row. If he was still playing at his best level I would have liked to have him on the 23 men list, but they way he's playing right now, he doesn't deserve even to be considered. Besides Cambiasso and Zanetti aren't prima donnas.
And yes, he hasn't really done much in his career with the NT.
riq and messi are 2 diff players with the ball...
riq his always looking at the passing lanes
while messi he can take on the defense and force them to collapse on him to find the open man for a pass....
both are good
We don´t have any bad players.
If I said that he had his opportunity with Pekerman, who do you think I'm talking about?
No. That's not what we're arguing.
No. We're arguing that being that Riquelme was in charge to generate offense for us, and the fact that we basically shot 3 times at goal all game long, he factually sucked. And he did.
The refs had nothing to do with it. You could blame Pekerman for taking him off the pitch.
No, and that's the problem. If you want Riquelme playing for your team, you have to build it around him, and hope he shows up. You can't have two creators, or have him play a role. He has to be the center of the universe, or he quits on you. As constructed, that team needed Riquelme to win, but Riquelme didn't show up.
In all honesty, and I've said this before, after the Korea/Japan debacle, I had no problem giving him a shot as the star of the team. I actually wanted that to happen, because everybody was clamoring for him to be that. But after 2006, and seeing he only shows up whenever he wants, you just can't hand him the keys to the team anymore, especially after the fact that we have a lot of talented players around, including one that is way more talented than him.
Ayala had that team 1 up with 12 minutes left. Riquelme took the corner kick in no different fashion than Verón took his in the last game. Besides of the fact that he can't be bothered to cover anybody, no matter how important the game is, he simply disappeared from the game. No moving the ball, no passing around, not looking up the field, nothing. You know, all that 'game' you loved to bring up when you said he won 'man of the match' against a scrub Serbia team, that kind of game was MIA against Germany.
But hey, I have no problem with that 'test'. It didn't work and it was time to move on. I was actually more angry with Basile for going back to the same old after the '06 failure than with Pekerman for having a go with Riquelme.
I'm just thankful we don't depend on his mood on the day of the game anymore.
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