Texas A&M turns down PAC10 offer.

[Kermit]

I don't think you should be so sure of yourself. Texas can threaten all they want but if the 2 teams split the amount of pressure the legislators and alumni from both schools will show to have this game played will be outrageous. Especially if A&M would be willing to play it. Either way its all speculation so far.

The only way Texas plays this game is if Aggy is in the same conference. If the legislature allows A&M to go their own way, then through what mechanism can they force UT to play the rivalry OOC. It's not a threat. And of course Aggy wants to play it. They're nothing without it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. You think the legislature is going to force Tech and Baylor to play Aggy? If they strike out on their own, it's over. And I think that they realize this and don't give a . Hopefully it works out for them in about 10 years because that's probably how long it's going to take them to be compe ive.

[DesignatedT]

Few are.
I don't know what makes you think that by getting crushed every year by Alabama, Georgia and Auburn instead of UT, OU and Tech that recruiting will suddenly rise up to that top 5 level consistently.



Ask Arkansas how things have gone since they left.



50-50, imo.

Kids want to play SEC ball. It's as simple as that. It is by far the best conference without a doubt in College Football. I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning but IMO recruiting will still get better from what we are pulling in now. I believe A&M will be able to compete in the conference (especially in every other sport) and being the lone SEC team in Texas will end up having a better impact than you think by letting the kids stay in their home state and close too home while playing in the best conference.

Arkansas is not in Texas. It gets nowhere near the recruits that A&M will get. Which goes back to the coaching point brought up earlier. A&M with good coaching will be able to compete in any conference.

[Blake]

Kids want to play SEC ball. It's as simple as that. It is by far the best conference without a doubt in College Football. I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning but IMO recruiting will still get better from what we are pulling in now. I believe A&M will be able to compete in the conference (especially in every other sport) and being the lone SEC team in Texas will end up having a better impact than you think by letting the kids stay in their home state and close too home while playing in the best conference.

Arkansas is not in Texas. It gets nowhere near the recruits that A&M will get. Which goes back to the coaching point brought up earlier. A&M with good coaching will be able to compete in any conference.

naw.

you're reaching if you think switching the SEC will put A&M on the same recruiting level as OU or UT.

Kids want to play for UT and OU. It's as simple as that.

[DesignatedT]

The only way Texas plays this game is if Aggy is in the same conference. If the legislature allows A&M to go their own way, then through what mechanism can they force UT to play the rivalry OOC. It's not a threat. And of course Aggy wants to play it. They're nothing without it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. You think the legislature is going to force Tech and Baylor to play Aggy? If they strike out on their own, it's over. And I think that they realize this and don't give a . Hopefully it works out for them in about 10 years because that's probably how long it's going to take them to be compe ive.

Oh please. You can't be this ignorant and arrogant. They're nothing without it? A&M will continue to put a compe ive team on the field with or without Texas, not to mention that A&M will be able to contend in every other single sport out there as well. Texas A&M University will be fine without you guys.

[DesignatedT]

naw.

you're reaching if you think switching the SEC will put A&M on the same recruiting level as OU or UT.

Kids want to play for UT and OU. It's as simple as that.

I never said this. Actually if you go back and read it again I said "I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning."

I do believe 100% that A&M joining the SEC and Texas going Pac10 will improve the Aggies recruiting right now. Never said it would be better than Texas'.

[Kermit]

Oh please. You can't be this ignorant and arrogant. They're nothing without it? A&M will continue to put a compe ive team on the field with or without Texas, not to mention that A&M will be able to contend in every other single sport out there as well. Texas A&M University will be fine without you guys.

Then bye. And please don't underestimate my arrogance.

I ing love Aggy. Suck balls in the top heavy Big 12. Then comes the epiphany, "We can totally rule this state if we just go to the toughest football conference in the country. We don't need Texas. They're keeping us down. Hububaloo indeed. The recruits will come."

[DMX7]

and being the lone SEC team in Texas will end up having a better impact than you think by letting the kids stay in their home state and close too home while playing in the best conference.

The "best conference"? At what? They may be on a hot football streak now, but that little run could end very quickly, dare I say in the second it takes Colt McCoys to hurt his shoulder.

Here's the real breakdown of the Pac-10 with only 10 teams vs the SEC with 12 teams.

Total National Championships:
PAC-10: 359
SEC: 175

[DesignatedT]

Then bye. And please don't underestimate my arrogance.

I ing love Aggy. Suck balls in the top heavy Big 12. Then comes the epiphany, "We can totally rule this state if we just go to the toughest football conference in the country. We don't need Texas. They're keeping us down. Hububaloo indeed. The recruits will come."

what is so funny? Did I say we were going to start winning conference les? A compe ive team meaning a chance to win every time you take the field.

You obviously don't understand. A&M doesn't want to join the Pac10. They feel they don't fit in geographically or culturally. A&M has said over and over again that their first option is too keep the big 12 intact. Texas doesn't want to go to the SEC for the same reasons that A&M doesn't want to go to the Pac10 but it's A&M that is breaking up the rivalry? A&M is not going to follow to a conference they don't feel comfortable in just because Texas is there. A&M's intention was not to break away from Texas but if their is no alternative than the "Pac 16" than A&M is prepared to do so. Do you have trouble understanding this?

[DesignatedT]

The "best conference"? At what? They may be on a hot football streak now, but that little run could end very quickly, dare I say in the second it takes Colt McCoys to hurt his shoulder.

Here's the real breakdown of the Pac-10 with only 10 teams vs the SEC with 12 teams.

Total National Championships:
PAC-10: 359
SEC: 175

The SEC is by far the best conference in football, I really hope you don't disagree with that. I don't know the basis behind that stat but it really doesn't matter. What does matter is the last 4 National Champions have come from the SEC and that's what the High School kids are looking at.

and did you really just pull out the shoulder excuse

[Blake]

I never said this. Actually if you go back and read it again I said "I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning."

I do believe 100% that A&M joining the SEC and Texas going Pac10 will improve the Aggies recruiting right now. Never said it would be better than Texas'.

I never said that you implied it will be better....

but you clearly said that the only way to match the recruiting efforts of those schools is by going to the SEC (maybe the Big 10 of UT/OU arent there):

Thing is by staying in the BIG12 or PAC10 with UT and OU, The Aggies will never be able to get out of those guys shadow and match the recruiting efforts of those schools.

I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.

whatever you say, dude.

[DMX7]

The SEC is by far the best conference in football, I really hope you don't disagree with that.

Right now it is. Might not be 5 years from now. In fact, Jesse Palmer, who played in the SEC, said the Pac-16 would instantly be the best football conference in the nation if it happened.

And that isn't contingent on the 1 national championship won 70 years ago that your team brings to the table.

[DesignatedT]

I never said that you implied it will be better....

but you clearly said that the only way to match the recruiting efforts of those schools is by going to the SEC (maybe the Big 10 of UT/OU arent there):





whatever you say, dude.

I agree. Then I clearly said to match the recruiting classes of UT and OU we would have to win. Obviously...

[DesignatedT]

Right now it is. Might not be 5 years from now. In fact, Jesse Palmer, who played in the SEC, said the Pac-16 would instantly be the best football conference in the nation if it happened.

And that isn't contingent on the 1 national championship won 70 years ago that your team brings to the table.

Seeing that you are probably just a t-shirt fan like 80% of the people that claim UT, I'm not offended.

[redraiderinfiji]

Take it like man? what do you mean? Do you think I don't know that our football program has been less than mediocre for the past decade? Yes I understand this... I guess you should be embarrassed that such a " ty" program who has "no rivals" are still getting invites from the most compe ive and profitable conference in all of football while your prestigious program rides the coattails of UT. No matter what your school or football program accomplishes it doesn't matter, You will always be irrelevant to anyone who actually matters.

This coming from a guy who's team hasn't mattered for more than a decade, and shows no signs of change (having one good qb (player) who is supposedly a "heisman hopeful" for the last 15 years doesn not mean ). There is no end in sight for you ag supporters. Just keep wishing for that day when Bucky Richardson reincarnated steps onto the college station campus....

but until then....you cant call anyone ty.....your team has personified that word for quite a long time. You can hate Tech all you want. Trash it....but just remember all the beat downs you recieved for more than a decade. The ags were, and are still, the epitome of terrible football.....

I cant tell you how many aggie fans gave up watching games for the last two years. These guys were die hards, and in fit of losing rage, dumped their team like a bag o' .....

Guys like JGW are prime examples......well at least you never dumped "your team" like he did. But, with the USC sanctions, I am 100 percent sure that he will jump on the ag bandwagon once again....

[Kermit]

Seeing that you are probably just a t-shirt fan like 80% of the people that claim UT, I'm not offended.

T-shirt blast. 2%. jar. Whoop. Bonfire. Hububaloo. SEC.

[rjv]

Lets talk about now....

You mention "texas football rivalry".....the ags have not been a "rival" of anyone for a long time. The meaning of "Rivalry" means that both teams have the chance of winning. The ags have been a rival of no one for the last decade. So, your first argument blows....

Next, yes tech is not harvard. I dont claim it to be that.....

Last, I sense jealousy in your words. The ags have blown for a long time. Just accept it. Trying to say that "my school is better than yours" is an arguement that has no merit here.

This is about sports, and unless I have been in a decade-long coma, the ags have gotten their asses kicked for longer than they will ever admit. Deep down, you know your sports have blown.....

Dont be an aggie ....grab whatever balls you have (whatever you have left over that the lambs have not chewed off) and take it like a man.

this is not just about sports. teams benefit from the academic credentials of the other schools in the conference and that is why the pac 10 is the better option in that regard. there is really only one solid academic school in the SEC and that is vanderbilt. the remaining schools are average insitutions. additionally, this is not just about football. the pac 10 has schools that can compete in every sport outside the parameters of the big three (football, basketball and baseball) and the SEC does not. this means that the aggies will be very compe ive athletically in most sports and will even be respectable in basketball (and decent enough in football). yes, a&m would probably fare a little better in football in the pac 10 but not that much better whereas in all the other sports they would fare in the middle of the pack. additionally, a&m would be, along with vandy, the best academic ins ution in the SEC.

tech should consider the SEC as well as tech will be very irrelevant in the pac 10.

[Kermit]

Apparently, the Big 12-2 is now on the verge of staying together. Ball is in Aggy's court. Dan Beebe has been resurrected.

[Kermit]

Apparently, the Big 12-2 is now on the verge of staying together. Ball is in Aggy's court. Dan Beebe has been resurrected.

this . I'm gone until Thursday when the rumors become reality and the Big 12 still exists. Chip Brown.

[JMarkJohns]

Meanwhile, ESPN is reporting from four sources that the four schools are joining the Pac-10 imminently and Beebe's plan has zero chance to work in the longrun.

Brown has been breaking the news throughout the process, so who knows?

[tlongII]

I really don't get why A&M is being so stubborn. I think they would be a much better fit in the Pac-10.

[romad_20]

additionally, a&m would be, along with vandy, the best academic ins ution in the SEC.

According to what? Every ranking I've seen (forbes, us news, etc.) shows A&M behind Vandy, Florida and Georgia in academic rankings.

I don't disagree about being able to compete in other sports right off the bat, but this is about money, and football is reall all that matters in that respect.

[Homeland Security]

Apparently, the Big 12-2 is now on the verge of staying together. Ball is in Aggy's court. Dan Beebe has been resurrected.

A rather transparent ruse at this point. Texas is not so much interested in saving the Big XII as it is in deflecting blame for its demise.

[samikeyp]

A rather transparent ruse at this point. Texas is not so much interested in saving the Big XII as it is in deflecting blame for its demise.

I don't think Texas cares if the Big 12 stays or goes, they just want the sweetest deal. None of us here know what is actually being said but IMO, I doubt being blamed for the possible breakup of the B12 is on the minds of the powers that be in Austin.

[rjv]

According to what? Every ranking I've seen (forbes, us news, etc.) shows A&M behind Vandy, Florida and Georgia in academic rankings.

I don't disagree about being able to compete in other sports right off the bat, but this is about money, and football is reall all that matters in that respect.

I went by this ranking: http://www.usnews.com/articles/educa....html?PageNr=6

but it could be that several places use various criteria.

and while football is king because it is the biggest $ maker the ability to compete in all sports is not to be undervalued.

[lebomb]

I really don't get why A&M is being so stubborn. I think they would be a much better fit in the Pac-10.

I think travel plays a HUGE role...........look how close LSU, Ark, Tenn, Bama, Auburn, Miss are to A&M. You will get many more fans to support your team on a roadie if they dont have to travel to Oregon, Washington or California...........at least IMHO.