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how about putting a term on how long the parents have to be in the US to grant citizenship to the child born? you would have to have a passport to do ent it, so that seems like a viable method.
MH, you're one stupid . This an ad hominem attack based on hard evidence.
how about putting a term on how long the parents have to be in the US to grant citizenship to the child born? you would have to have a passport to do ent it, so that seems like a viable method.
You haven't backed up your conjecture, so it happily stands as bull until proved otherwise.
That didn't say how much. Post how much it is costing.
Feeling insecure, again! This post is another example of you being petty, again.Who said I was talking about you? Feeling insecure, again! This post is another example of you being petty, again.
I never answer your questions.
Don't be lame....Let me guess, you will tell me not to be lame, insecure and petty.
Don't feel hurt if I decide not to feed your troll anymore in this thread. Surprise, it gets boring after awhile.
so asking you to support your statements is petty.. ok dummyWho said I was talking about you? Feeling insecure, again! This post is another example of you being petty, again.
I never answer your questions.
Don't be lame....Let me guess, you will tell me not to be lame, insecure and petty.
Don't feel hurt if I decide not to feed your troll anymore in this thread. Surprise, it gets boring after awhile.
Or, how about this...
In case no one has noticed, there is no political will to do anything about the situation besides Mexican border states.
You think Michigan gives a rat's ass about your immigrant problems? No offense, but there arent that many Canadians "jumping the fence" trying to get into the country.
No one knows your plight, if there is a "plight" here to even speak of at all.
That why the Federal government has done, basically, nothing about the national border. Try as you may, try as you might, people in Ohio have only a small understanding of the magnitude. You guys (thats you Southern boys and girls, near the border) cant go a day, heck maybe even a couple hours, without hearing Spanish.
I can go weeks, months. Normally, anyway.
It just isnt a nationwide problem, its a regional problem. A very large, important, economically stable region, yes, but still just a region.
Its California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Two of those states are gigantic in both size, population, economy and political weight, to be sure. But it isnt enough.
California is not in the economic meltdown it finds itself today because of undo ented, non-taxpaying aliens. They made their own bed thinking the gravy-train would never stop, stupid regulations and laws that hurt every industrial business in the state. The entire agriculture sector is affected by things like gas tax, fuel efficency regulation, CO2 emission testing, etc, etc. California is a complete mess...admittedly, illegals certainly dont help the situation (i think?), but theyre not exacerbating it either.
Arizona is a far better example. Small population, large-ish state by way of square miles. If the significant number of illegals are using the system like a normal citizen of low income would, I could see their state budget getting affected measurably. Illegals get hurt, go to hospitals, never pay, someone else does, insurance rates go up, etc. Social welfare which does no check for citizenship (at least not here in Michigan they dont), sending money back to Mexico, never paying taxes, never learning the language or assimilating in anyway.
Texas is a lot like California, minus the extreme self-indebtedness. Thanks to an oil rich landscape amongst its existing economic diversity, Texas is unique in the United States.
This got wordy for no reason...
No one in the rest of the country cares, minus a few militia-types and theur inbred cousins. Mexicans arent "taking jobs" here in Michigan and I would think its like that jsut about everywhere else, too. Its kind of your problem.
You solve it, we all have our own. Secure your own damn borders, if your state feels theyd be better served if they did. Seems to me, your leadership doesnt think its that big of an issue. I dont see how illegal immigrants could have a powerful lobby in your state governments preventing effective change. If thats the case, the "aliens" are FAR more organized than you citizens are, and just further proves native-born Americans are lazy and contemptuous.
Your borders, your problem. If its even as big a problem as it is made to sound to begin with. Which, tbh, doesnt matter if it is or if it isnt. If it means that much to state residents, any law, any construction project can be passed. But it doesnt even seem that important to you folks down there (except Arizona), why should the rest of us care?
End Note:
So its known, I dont much give a one way or the other. Michigan is a political and economic hole of no equal in the country. I hate my government and my ignorant, trailer trash, celebrity-worshiping, reality-television watching countrymen.
This whole country can take a giant on itself at this point, I think it'd be more productive, really. The weak die, the strong live, the world is a better place for it. Carrying all this deadweight that consumes, talks and dear God, votes is what is killing this country.
Thin the herd by any means necessary, thats my vote. Until anger and violence becomes the path to a solution, IMO, youre all just spinning your wheels. Nothing is going to change, certainly not for the better. All we see is the consolidation of power at the very top and what happens on CNN is the rest of us complaining about the scraps we're leftover after paying for all the deadweight that is allowed to exist in this country.
Politics are a waste of time, at this point. The time when politicians could "fix" this country's situation is gone, been gone, long gone, before I was born. This is the world as we know it, it only gets worse from here (unless there is some Earth-shattering scientific discovery).
The means and methods that we need to be employed to "fix" the United States are unbearable by a majority of the population. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare...all of it needs to end, today.
The military needs to be condensed...today.
Taxes need to go UP...today.
None of this will happen because it doesnt get anyone elected...
Which is why a dictatorship almost always follows a democracy. The inefficiencies of the system are almost always exposed, but we Americans have had the luxury of ever-lasting economic expansion to shield us from the true nature of deficit-spending. Greece knows...now. So does Spain...now.
We can laugh, but we;re right behind them. They just dont have the military might the US does and world economic influence because of our sole-superpower position.
Illegal aliens?
Really?
This is the problem we choose to focus on? Two wars that look to never end, a collapsing currency, an ecological disaster that looks to maybe be only one small step less of a disaster than Chernobyl, a country of corporate culture that literally stole trillions from US citizens and are yet, still alive and well today?
Illegal aliens?
Really?!
Whatever keeps you distracted, I guess. I am just as incredibly guilty as all of you (us).
Isn't that what Arizona is trying to do?
<sigh> So when you look back at previous generations who proclaimed the end was near do you think to yourself "they were right" or do you think "what silly fatalists".
Look it's pretty simple. We are maybe 3-4 election cycles away from getting an effective government. We're already through the phase of conservative minded people realizing the RNC house needs to be cleaned. Now democrats are rapidly realizing their house is ed and needs a good cleaning(this is happening faster than I expected). So yeah there are some very hard times ahead but it's a pretty ingenious system our founding fathers came up with and we'll survive, well most of us anyways. All you need to do is everything you can make sure you're one of the ones who gets through the hard times and then wait for better days. This country has been through worse.
"secure our damn borders"
what exactly is the Repugs' specific, concrete method for securing our borders.
And why didn't they do it for the 8 years they were in power?
One Repug suggested mine fields. Anyone?
Maybe youre right, I certainly hope you are. But the history of this country has never seen the amount of debt coupled with lack of political will to do anything about it. The national debt was gigantic (relative to GDP or GNP, whichever suits your fancy) after the Civil War. What is different now from then is that the succeeding government(s) of the time thought it prudent to pay that debt down as soon as humanly possible (and they did).
Nothing...and I really mean nothing about this 20th century US government shows even the slightest inclination of similar will. Nevermind the additional fact that government provides and is involved so much more in the everyday lives of so many citizens.
The problems of this day, IMO, are far more complex then any of the previous incarnations. The Great Depression is the only eclipsing example and it took a World War to fix that. The problem with trying to repeat that same solution is the fact that the next World War will be most likely be the last.
Youre far more optimistic than me, but thats akin to pointing out the extremely obvious. Re-reading my "say-nothing" posts, it comes off as whiny and melancholy. Wasnt the intention, just a bit of a half- ed, unprovoked rant as I survey the political landscape from uneducated eyes. People, IMO, tend to focus far too closely on the details. There is an over-arching picture to be seen that is being ignored either ignorantly or willfully.
I am done...you may as well be right.
What are you talking about this time?
George might be re ed.
It's costing us a lot of money to provide services for the illegals.
That didn't say how much. Post a number. From a real source.
I am a real human, I'm not fake.
As for number, it's definitely above $10,000,000.
Costing a lot.
So you don't have an actual number and you just made one up.
That was expected.
no, $10,000,000 dollars actually do exist, it's not fake.
It's not the cost.
It's definitely surpasses $10,000,000
How do you know?
Chump, what don't you get off that horse. I've seen the numbers before for my state. It's ing ridiculous. They contribute so little compared to the social services that use. Numbers. Screw that, I'm not even going to look. The internet has co much more material that supports liberal thoughts. The numbers or periodically brought up by conservative talk show hiosts, and when someine shows you a number, you will find some way to disqualify it. That's just your style.
Wake up and smell the truth. Most of them qualify for subsidized everything. In my state, if they are brown, the social services doesn't even verify anything they say. they just hand out the benefits like candy. If you are black or white however, you have to have papers up your ass.
Because police force, medical services such as hospital visit emergency rooms, ambulances, public education, social services / handouts, stealing jobs by offering to work for slave wages,
all of these things put together add up to much more than $10,000,000
yes i agree
1) with the stolen job they have, by offering to work for slave wages,
2) they send a lot of it back to mexico for their familie
3) that money should have been invested in their community, supporting stores, services, etc.
there are many many things they do that hurt this country.
um, passing a bill through a legislature and hoping a judge will side with them would be the exact opposite judicial activism.
Judicial activism would be if some judge decided to agree with them out of the blue while hearing a case on a completely unrelated matter.
but don't let the obvious get in the way of making witty remarks about conservatives.
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