If it walks and talks like a duck it's usually a duck. Just because his mother spit him out of the womb in a county hospital in Houston Texas (probably for free) he grew up in Mexico and didn't speak English. The driver of the car didn't speak English and didn't have a drivers license. You don't call that reasonable probability?
which makes him a US citizen, like it or not
and he wasn't deported like his brother who had ample do entation regarding his status as a US citizenThe driver of the car didn't speak English and didn't have a drivers license.
I call it an officer and customs agent being completely wrong.You don't call that reasonable probability?
I didn't say the border patrol didn't up. I said the Sheriff had probable cause to call the border patrol since it was their jurisdiction.
the deported person proved his citizenship upon request to the sheriff, so I don't think he had probable cause to do anything other than to arrest the driver for no driver's license and send the passenger on his way.
The sheriff had probable cause to call up the Texas DMV and verify that the driver license presented was legitimate. Don't forget this guy had to present valid papers in order to get it. Once verified, he should have let him go.
The will never happen in AZ so there is nothing to worry about. Violating a US citizen's civil rights is no big deal to the resident dead enders..
For the driver yes. Delgado, no.
Which is what's strange about this.
I guess we will get to see what happens.Hispanics leave AZ over immigrant law
(npr story can be seen here)
The U.S. Conference of Mayors meets today in Oklahoma City, Okla. They spent part of their morning, though, talking about Arizona. The mayors went on the record against Arizona's new immigration law that's set to go into effect at the end of next month. The one that makes it makes a crime to be in that state without the right papers. The mayors also want Washington to get its act together on federal immigration reform, so that state laws aren't necessary anymore. Some illegal immigrants in Arizona aren't waiting around.
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By Jeff Tyler
All over Phoenix, you'll find yard sales, like this one -- Silvia Arias sells the possessions of four Hispanic families. They're undo ented, so they're moving some place else.
"Some are returning to Mexico," Arias said. "Some are moving to Albuquerque."
The new law -- requiring police to verify the legal status of immigrants -- has created a climate of fear.
"Everyone is migrating to other states to see if we can find a better life for our children," she said.
Leticia Munoz also wants a better life for her kids. She's been in the U.S. for 10 years. Now, she's planning to move her family back to Mexico.
"There really are no jobs there," Munoz said. "I don't want to go back. I have three children. But, these new laws really scare me."
She used to earn around $400 a month babysitting the children of other immigrants. But over the last year-and-a-half, Arizona has cracked down on businesses that employ undo ented workers. Many immigrants have lost their jobs, and they no longer need a babysitter. Leticia is down to making $90 dollars a month -- not enough to live on.
When she leaves, she'll pull her 8-year-old daughter out of school. It's a pattern that's creating chaos for the school district.
Impact on schools
"In the last five weeks, we're down about almost 100 students," said Jeffrey Smith, superintendent of the Balsz Elementary School District.
He says the state reimburses the district about $5,000 per child.
"The hundred students that we've lost translate into, I believe, a half-a-million dollars," he said.
The school year ended last Friday. During the summer break, more students are expected to leave town. If the district loses too much funding, it could be forced to cut teachers. Smith's also concerned about how the exodus will impact surrounding neighborhoods.
"It can blight a community," the superintendent said. "So you have apartments that are less and less full. Businesses close down. So we're very concerned about what effect this will have on the economy in this area."
But isn't the economic impact offset by the money taxpayers will save on social services? Probably not.
Judy Gans studies the economics of immigration at the University of Arizona. She says the state doesn't have a surplus of young, low-skilled workers. So, if Arizona kicks out all the illegal immigrants, and replaces them with Americans from other states, taxpayers will still have to subside the low-skilled workers.
"Any low-skilled worker generally is going to pay less in taxes than they consume in social services," Gans said.
Before the recession, Gans says immigrant labor helped fuel growth in construction, manufacturing and the hotel industry.
"One needs to be really careful about sort of thinking we can parse this and get rid of certain categories of workers without hurting the whole industry," she said.
Impact on businesses
The music is still upbeat at this strip mall in an immigrant neighborhood, but businesses here are suffering because so many Hispanics have left town. Francisco Noriega works at a jewelry store.
"People are afraid to go out now, you know what I mean? They don't want to spend money in case of an emergency," he said.
Noriega estimates his business has gone down about 70-80 percent.
Noriega is a U.S. citizen. The departure of his customers -- many of whom are undo ented -- could cost him his job.
"It's affecting every single one of us, really, a lot," he said.
And it's expected to get worse for local businesses next month. During a recent coffee talk at an elementary school, a group of 40 undo ented parents were asked, "How many of you will leave town if the law goes into effect at the end of July?" They all raised their hands.
Personally, I think the law is silly. I also think they should keep it in place for a few years and see what the results really are. It offers a good opportunity to see the effects, good and bad.
So...it's working? The ILLEGAL immigrants are leaving and going back to Mexico?
And thats a bad thing?
So, the State that was having to tax it's citizens to pay a half million dollars to educate these 100 ILLEGAL immigrant kids won't have to spend that money now?Impact on schools
"In the last five weeks, we're down about almost 100 students," said Jeffrey Smith, superintendent of the Balsz Elementary School District.
He says the state reimburses the district about $5,000 per child.
"The hundred students that we've lost translate into, I believe, a half-a-million dollars," he said.
BooHoo
You don't know that the kids were all illegal immigrants. Could be only their parents or related family were.
Furthermore, this will probably affect the education of ALL kids in that school, citizens or not citizens.
There's nothing to worry about. Once all illegal immigrants pack up and leave all of AZ's problems will go away. Go ahead and go back to sleep now..
I see migration to other states more likely. As stated, there's simply no jobs in Mexico. Not that it's that much different in America right now.
You guys are hilarious. What part of ILLEGAL immigrant don't you get?
I suggest California.
Quote where it says the kids leaving are illegal immigrants?
So you are saying that if ALL the states enforced our EXISTING immigration laws they wouldn't have anywhere to go?
You guys are hilarious..what part of negative economic impact don't you get?
No, they'll probably stay. They would just find the states least likely to enforce the laws. These people didn't risk their lives to just turn around and go back.
Most of those kids are probably US citizens. Most of the children of illegal immigrants tend to be born in the US.
Arizona will now see the exodus of labor from the state. This will drive down demand for housing, further depressing the tax base for local governments.
As I said we will get to see what the net effects are.
You do know admit are some benefits to government in the form of taxes from illegals right?
What part of "they consume more public services than they pay in taxes" don't YOU get?
I guess we'll catch those we can catch, deport them, then they'll be right back since we've done nothing to improve our border security... awesome plan!
some of the kids might be us citizens but if their parents were not legal here and gave birth to them in the usa they should not be!
People losing their businesses now is good for the AZ economy....I've seen the light..
so now they then become wards of the state..great job!
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