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George Hill got 16+ mpg his rookie season. Blair got 18+ mpg his rookie season. If Parker, Hill, Ginobili and Jefferson all play around the minutes they did this year, there will be 20 mpg that will have to go somewhere. If Anderson can play passable defense and hit the open J, it might as well be him, assuming they don't sign anyone better.
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Good point. Even though I felt starting Blair was not the best decision, I was happy to see Pop was willing to place that trust in a young player.
As much as Pop botched the Hill situation a couple seasons back, I do wonder if he genuinely learned his lesson.
By the way I've never understood why people say Manu plays better off the bench. His career year and the only AS career year was the only year he was starting while with the Spurs. It's sad that everyone expects him to just continue coming off the bench and leading the second unit. He's getting older and he's not going to be able to do it much longer. Someone else is going to have to take over that roll so who should that be? At least in the starting unit he doesn't get worn out playing along with Tim and Tony.
hill played 29 minutes last year
parker: 28
manu: 30
RJ: 31
with 48 minutes for 3 positions, that leaves 26 minutes. However, 17 of those come at the sf position, where Anderson would be small.
We can do it, but it just puts pressure on the defense, and trades off with the good outside shooting we will get during that time.
If our second unit has blair and Anderson at the same time, that is small at 2 positions, which I don't really like.
If hill is the starting 2, then we are small only in 1 position, and we can live with that.
Parker played 30.9 mpg.
Would it be nice to have someone a little bigger as your backup SF? Sure. (Anderson's size isn't THAT bad, btw.) But we don't have such a player on the roster currently. Remember the guys playing these minutes last year were Mason and Bogans. Not exactly outstanding size at SF. And there isn't a lot of money to work with in free agency.
I'm on the start Manu bandwagon but it would be very difficult to monitor Manu PT if he is in the starting 5. Important thing for him is to finish the games, so during the RS I think he will come off the bench in function of his health he could begin to be in the starting 5 one month before the start of the POs.
ok so let's say Hill had the low side of the 16 to 20 minutes range for his rookie season with Manu injured most part of the season now Manu is healthy (cross the finger) and George is going to have heavy minutes therefore I don't see Anderson having the 16 to 20 minutes range especially if another wing is coming.
Actually, can anyone see Hill getting traded? Consider
1) He's good, maybe good enough to start for some teams as a PG.
2) He's not good enough (yet, or in the short term future) to take Tony's job.
3) As a SG, he gives up his physical advantage (ie length), and as a result he's pretty average at best defensively. Offensively, he's decent, but no world beater.
Moving Hill to develop a better fit in our backcourt would be possible;
consider for example, Hill to the Pacers for Paul George (signed) - the salaries would work out about right, he's an Indiana local, and the Pacers need a PG badly.
This would make our revised backcourt lineups a lot better sized.
PG - Parker (6'2"), Temple (6'6")
SG - Anderson (6'6"), Manu (6'6")
SF - RJ (6'8"), Paul George (6'8")
PF - Mcdyess, Blair, ???
C - Duncan, Splitter, ???
The key would be managing minutes so that one of Manu and Parker were on the floor at all times...Anderson would be asked to act a lot like Micheal Finley in the offense, and when Temple is on, Manu is running the point.
temple can ran the point
Tony Parker disagrees.
I totally agree that it would be a stupid thing to continue to use Ginobili off the bench. You should start your best five players to try to get a lead. The concept of manu being a "sparkplug" off the bench doesn't hold water at age 33. That's a good way to get him injured if he is over-exerting himself with the second unit. He is more protected from injury by playing with the first unit. And Pop can still monitor his minutes.
Who do you think will get the minutes instead? Hairston? Gee? I guess a free agent is still a possibility, but I'm not sure who the Spurs can afford that would merit regular playing time. There will be at least 20 minutes there for somebody, assuming no injuries, no DNP's of the main players, and no small ball. I don't see Hairston, Temple, or Gee getting regular minutes, but who knows?
if anderson can contribute, i see no reason why not give him starters minutes or start games....
I know what you're saying. I was thinking the same, it seemed very possible for Anderson to play 18-20 mpg. Than looking at it thoroughly, for the 3 "small" positions, you have 48*3 = 144 mpg.
You expect Parker, Hill, Manu and RJ to have a combined avg of around 30mpg, with Parker and RJ just above 30 and Hill and Manu at 30 or just under. So that's 120 minutes. 24 minutes left at those positions. I'll add that since Pop may play some small ball for time to time (even though if Splitter comes there should be way less of it), let's be generous and say 8 minutes of small ball per game? Is that too much?
Anyways, that leaves you with 32 minutes for the FA signing, Anderson, Hairston/Gee/Temple.. From those last 3, I assume only 1 of them will get any significant minutes next season with another playing a few minutes here and there.. FA signing is likely to get around 20mpg, since that's a veteran with a good 3 point shot we all assume. This leaves few minutes for any other player..
With all that, even considering injuries and the rest, I can't see Anderson hitting near 20mpg a game unless he's a stud. Even 15 may be a stretch, of course barring any MAJOR injury or trade, which changes everything. And this is contrary to what I first thought, I thought it would be quite easy for Anderson to get a good 16-20 mpg.
Of course if a vet is brought in through free agency, that will cut into the minutes available for Anderson. Most of Spurstalk seems to assume that we're getting another veteran wing somewhere; I don't. My minutes projection for Anderson was for the scenario in which we don't get a free agent who plays much. What player could we realistically get that would be a better option? Also, quite a few people seem to assume that one of Hairston/Gee/Temple will get more than garbage minutes this season. Until I see otherwise, I'm assuming that none of them will play more than garbage minutes, barring injuries.
I'm sure he can conjugate, too.
One thing I think people are overlooking is that the reason Hill, Parker, RJ and Manu played so many minutes last season had a lot to do with the dog play of the rest of the wingmen. If Anderson proves he deserves to be out there at all, I expect him to eat into Manu's minutes (or RJ's, situationally) just to keep Ginobili fresh.
Well yes, I also assume we're signing a vet. Just like the signings of bogans, mason, etc.. Pop will look to sign someone for the LLE this summer who is worthy of some minutes and who can either defend, shoot the 3, or do both preferably. It's been this way for the Spurs for a long time and I believe we will continue to look for a free agent of this mold. Pop still prefers experienced players.
About the other 3, Gee is quite talented actually. Temple proved he can play backup minutes and be efficient. Hairston has been in the spurs system for a while and he brings athleticism and scoring to the table. We have some nice options on the wing, and if no FA is signed as you assume, then definitely one of them will get some minutes alongside Anderson.
first off, he will eat all of Mason's minutes. those 20 MPG are available anyhow. (and I can't see him get much more minutes as a rookie.)I'm sure he can conjugate, too.
One thing I think people are overlooking is that the reason Hill, Parker, RJ and Manu played so many minutes last season had a lot to do with the dog play of the rest of the wingmen. If Anderson proves he deserves to be out there at all, I expect him to eat into Manu's minutes (or RJ's, situationally) just to keep Ginobili fresh.
minutes from Manu will be taken by a veteran, we can expect the Spurs sign one or two. (Bogans played 20 mpg last season. no reason to believe there won't happen a similar vet signing this summer. Bell?)
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Manu has been a starting SG all along in the NBA. When healthy and CONSISTENTLY STARTING he is a 20ppg scorer as he has proved already.
+1
I do think Pop will want a Bogans type of player for the LLE, he will look for a defensive specialist ala Bruce (it was the idea of Bogans signing). Considering that, minutes will be mainly distributed between tony, manu, rj and george, rest will have to be split between Anderson, a FA for the LLE and some minutes for whoever will pass the cut (Temple, Hairston and Gee), this is why I don't think Anderson will see the 16 to 20 mn range.
Time will tell.
Sad but with Anderson comming over we have three guys playing SG.....Anderson, Manu, and Hill.......So I think that leaves out Hairston from making the team.
At least we get to see what Gee can do enough to keep him or find a free agent or a non drafted player to fill the SF role.
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