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    Technically, logic is not about heart, but brains. Check up on that fallacy and you'll see what we're getting at.

    You know, Spock's greatest moment was when he sacrificed himself to fix the nuclear drive.

    You can say he was all about logic. But his heart drove his logic that day.

    The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one.

    There's someone else that comes to mind that thought exactly that way.

    Can you guess who I'm thinking of?

    I am amused and rather enjoy the barbs that Cosmic and others send my way about me having a weak or fragile mind.

    I am complimented by it, for my mind is a tool, neither weak, nor strong.

    It is either functioning or not functioning.

    And mine is functioning at a rather high level these days.

    Here is what Wiki had about the No True Scotsman 'logical fallacy':

    Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."
    —Antony Flew, Thinking About Thinking (1975)



    I see the point of what you are trying to say, but your comparison to my logic is flawed. For a true Scotsman is determined from the point of view of they eye of the beholder. While a True Christian...well, Jesus showed us all what it was to be one. There is no moving target when it comes to who represents the Truest of all Christians. It's in the name. Go pick up the New Testament and you'll see what I'm getting at.

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    So Zak...was your God 'born again" from the Old Testament to the New Testament?

    Did your God change?

    Or did the way the mortal people that wrote the books in the bible change?

    I appreciate that the "New Zack" is not as self destructive as the old Zack. I'm happy for you. Seriously.

    I just hope you eventually find a middle ground that you can live with.

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    So Zak...was your God 'born again" from the Old Testament to the New Testament?

    Did your God change?

    Or did the way the mortal people that wrote the books in the bible change?

    I appreciate that the "New Zack" is not as self destructive as the old Zack. I'm happy for you. Seriously.

    I just hope you eventually find a middle ground that you can live with.
    Like I said Big Dawg, I have to read the Old Testament before I can really comment on it, but my theories at this point are that Satan is playing God in more than one instance in the Old Testament...and fooling many along the way.

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    Like I said Big Dawg, I have to read the Old Testament before I can really comment on it, but my theories at this point are that Satan is playing God in more than one instance in the Old Testament...and fooling many along the way.
    Zak, you really need to read your bible from start to finish to get context.

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    One day...you will all bow before me...


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    Zak, you really need to read your bible from start to finish to get context.

    I am definitely in agreement with you Cosmic.

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    I've read the Old Testament, New Testament, and a few other religious works. I'm still an atheist, though.

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    I've read the Old Testament, New Testament, and a few other religious works. I'm still an atheist, though.

    Do you believe in true love?

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    If so can you prove it exists?

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    One day...you will all bow before me...

    Bless his Noodly Appendages.

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    Like I said Big Dawg, I have to read the Old Testament before I can really comment on it, but my theories at this point are that Satan is playing God in more than one instance in the Old Testament...and fooling many along the way.
    How do you know he's not playing God in the NT?

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    How do you know he's not playing God in the NT?

    Because the New Testament is about his defeat.

    Satan is a master deceiver, but he won't work against himself.

    Jesus was and is True Love, as is His Father, Our God. Perfection at its finest.


    Satan is wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.

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    Because the New Testament is about his defeat.

    Satan is a master deceiver, but he won't work against himself.

    Jesus was and is True Love, as is His Father, Our God. Perfection at its finest.


    Satan is wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
    How do you know Satan doesn't want you to think he was defeated, to ease your guard?

    Also, AFAIK, those seven deadly sins aren't actually in the Bible.

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    Development of the Traditional Seven Sins

    The modern concept of the Seven Deadly Sins is linked to the works of the 4th century monk Evagrius Ponticus, who listed eight evil thoughts in Greek as follows:[4]


    They were translated into the Latin of Roman Catholic spiritual pietas (or Catholic devotions), as follows:[5]


    These 'evil thoughts' can be broken down into three groups:[5]

    • lustful appe e (Gluttony, Fornication, and Avarice)
    • irascibility (Anger)
    • intellect (Vainglory, Sorrow, Pride, and Discouragement)

    In AD 590, some years after Evagrius, Pope Gregory I revised this list to form the more common Seven Deadly Sins, by folding sorrow/despair into acedia, vainglory into pride, and adding extravagance and envy, while removing fornication from the list. In the order used by both Pope Gregory and by Dante Alighieri in his epic poem The Divine Comedy, the seven deadly sins are as follows:

    1. luxuria (extravagance)
    2. gula (gluttony)
    3. avaritia (avarice/greed)
    4. acedia (acedia/discouragement)
    5. ira (wrath)
    6. invidia (envy)
    7. superbia (pride)

    The identification and definition of the seven deadly sins over their history has been a fluid process and the idea of what each of the seven actually encompasses has evolved over time. Additionally, as a result of semantic change:

    • Lust was subs uted for luxuria in all but name
    • socordia (sloth) was subs uted for acedia

    It is this revised list that Dante uses.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

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    How do you know Satan doesn't want you to think he was defeated, to ease your guard?

    Also, AFAIK, those seven deadly sins aren't actually in the Bible.

    Because only Jesus can claim victory at this point.

    He just showed us the way.

    We all have to walk the walk in order to claim victory for ourselves in God's name and for God's honor.

    The Victory of Jesus Christ over Satan was not for us to let our guard down, but for us to learn how to have our guard up.

    You are probably right about the seven sins not being in the bible, I just thought they would be a good description of what I feel Satan is.

    However, if I had to describe Satan in one word, I'd use the word selfish.

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    Because only Jesus can claim victory at this point.

    He just showed us the way.

    We all have to walk the walk in order to claim victory for ourselves in God's name and for God's honor.

    The Victory of Jesus Christ over Satan was not for us to let our guard down, but for us to learn how to have our guard up.

    You are probably right about the seven sins not being in the bible, I just thought they would be a good description of what I feel Satan is.

    However, if I had to describe Satan in one word, I'd use the word selfish.
    What if that's just what Satan wanted you to think? Sure, you may be able to tell in your heart, but can you logically say, for sure, you know who was behind the Bible?

    Don't get me wrong; I think that Jesus is a great role model. I just don't believe he was a saviour, anymore than Gandhi or other inspirational leaders.

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    I'll have to check out that book; I'm a big fan of Heinlein. I remember a CMSgt once did a weekly meeting, using Starship Troopers as a basis for military lessons. Pretty interesting.

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    What if that's just what Satan wanted you to think? Sure, you may be able to tell in your heart, but can you logically say, for sure, you know who was behind the Bible?

    Don't get me wrong; I think that Jesus is a great role model. I just don't believe he was a savior, anymore than Gandhi or other inspirational leaders.
    Believing who was behind the Old Testament vs who was behind the New Testament is a slightly different discussion than believing Jesus Christ was the Son of our one and only True God.


    Satan wants us to think as you do, that Jesus was no savior.

    The Islam religion and Jewish religion both reject Jesus.

    The are perpetually at war. This is no coincidence.

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    The Islam religion and Jewish religion both reject Jesus.
    Now I'm not certain, but the Jews are the ones who reject Jesus. The Koran acknowledges Jesus, but he is the past, and Mohammad is the current profit.

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    Believing who was behind the Old Testament vs who was behind the New Testament is a slightly different discussion than believing Jesus Christ was the Son of our one and only True God.


    Satan wants us to think as you do, that Jesus was no savior.

    The Islam religion and Jewish religion both reject Jesus.

    The are perpetually at war. This is no coincidence.
    Our nation is predominately Christian, and we are currently waging wars in two countries that are predominantly Muslim.

    In fact, over the last half of the last century, America has been in more wars than any other country. Why are we, a predominately Christian nation, perpetually at war?

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    Satan wants us to think as you do, that Jesus was no savior.
    How do you know what Satan wants you to think? Have you talked with him?

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    Sorry Cobra, to clarify, I meant they both reject Jesus as the Resurrected Son of God.

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