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Tim Duncan did not lie in a Grand Jury or was involved in any scam :-)
Tim Duncan did not lie in a Grand Jury :-)
Tim Duncan did not lie in a Grand Jury or was involved in any scam :-)
Hey RobinsonToDuncan, why don't we twist your ankle 6 times and see if you can still run like carl lewis or walk like charlie chaplin?
Damn Straight!
Duncan's Got OUR HELP On The court and THats why his Numbers Are down
Versus the Sonics in this Round
Sincerely,
The Refreshment Vendor in section 228 Row 20
The Spur Fan At Home
Brent Barry
RtD:
I thought your relentless posts about TP>Manu were bad enough, but now this?
STFU Smeagol, I bet you never read the god damn post either, you guys can all jump on the band wagon, but refute the fact that he is playing like CWebb plays why don't you?
I didn't say that there wasn't a reason for it, I didn't say I dont like tim duncan, I'm just saying that he is playign like CWebb, if you are too ign ignorant to read, that's your own problem.
just change the topic!
yes duncan's explosiveness has really diminished. but hey he still get's the shots he wants... to start with his game is about smarts, fakes and his length. his explosiveness was just a bonus. if you can get 5 foot hooks almost anytime i still think you're pretty good
No need to read the topic because you have explained it in several of your posts. In brief, lately, TD is playing like CWebb.
I, and most of the posters here don't agree. Just like I, and most of the posters here , don't agree that TP > Manu. But you are en led to your opinion.
You don't even know what you're saying, you stupid mother f'r. However, lucky for you Fullsportpress printed this, so it must be right.Can't you dumb asses understand what I'm saying?
I'm not saying he has the same character or mentality or whatever as CWebb, I'm saying that he is beginning to play like him
Did any of my less mature detracters even bother to read my first post or the article that i posted along with it from Fullsportpress?
hmmmmmmmm.
could it be that D Robinson made Duncan better?I don't think so.I just think the whole dynamic of the team has changed with TP and Manu.The Spurs pass the ball more and don't rely heavily on TD.
The article you keep citing is th opinion of a writer and not always the site on which it is published. Oh and not once does it mention Chris Webbers name. The conlusion that Duncan is playong like Chris Webber is entirely of your own creation. So YOU stfu and stop digging that hole.
That is the beauty of thinking Team before Tim. His numbers are down because he has a solid core of players who can contribute. I'm sure he doesn't give a rat's ass what you think of his game. He knows what he is capable of and knows that the people that really know hoops will talk about how important he is to his team. So Collison and Fortson and Potapenko where pounding on him...you didn't talk about how well he was playing despite that. Or that he was killing them with his play and doing his best to carry the team doing it all. C Webb would tease but he'd never deliver. He has 1 chance in 2001 and now that chance is gone.
C-Webb? C-freakin-Webb?
R2D, here is what C-Webb was worth in his goddamn prime:
He chokes game a WCF 7 away, a series the Kings should have won if anyone other than Bibby had stepped up. The Kings' best mismatch was Webb against Horry/Grant .. and he couldn't make a single bucket in the 4th.
He gets injured in the regular season, his team amazingly plays better than when he was around. He comes back to the team and messes up the flow of their offense, making people wonder whether Adelman shoulda stuck to a Webber-less rotation.
As a grand finale, he leaves the Kings to join the Sixers, and the Sixers actually show zero improvement in their play or their record .. And Webber puts up horrible numbers in a conference not known for depth at PF, while getting booed out of the building by Philly fans .. while the Kings hold on to their 6th seed in the west with Brian Skinner starting as PF.
That, my friend, is the story of Chris Webber. The only nice thing in his sordid, miserable existence is that he goes out with Tyra Banks.
Bottomline: Tim Duncan with both legs amputated would be more valuable on a basketball court than Chris Webber
CWebb likes to shoot 18 foot jumper from the top of the key, Duncan shoots 5-10 foot bank shots from the corners, Duncan rebounds, CWebb doesn't.
Duncan post his man, draws two to three defenders to him, then kick the ball out, rotate, 3 pointers/drive to the lane for his teammates, CWebb doesn't post at all.
Duncan block a lot of shots, despite what that stupid article says.
Just because Duncan shoots jumper doesn't mean that Duncan plays like CWebb. Hey, he has been shooting jumpers throughout his career! That's what makes him so tough to guard, he can post you up, he can drive to the lane, he can shoot over you, and he nails 18 foot jumpers if you leave him open. Duncan is opening up the floor for his teammates, and Ginobilli is driving to the basket all day. You actually think Ginobilli can do the same if Duncan's defender was two feet from the basket?
you ought to watch some more games. tim throws down in every game.
Uhh, you don't have a real take. I proved that Duncan is NOT playing like C-Webb. With actual stats, not opinions. You have no proof of the contrary.
Amare and Wade are great offensive players, don't get me wrong. But read MY post, dumb . I said as a complete player, both offensive and defensive Tim is still the best. NO other player is in the top 10 in both offensive and defensive stats, are they? I don't think any other player is even close.
EDIT: Ok, Amare is close. So, it's fair to compare Duncan with Amare. But not with ing C-Webb!
Last edited by MadDog73; 05-19-2005 at 11:02 AM.
For once, I couldn't agree more.
The playoffs are all about matchups and taking advantage of what your opponent gives you. That's why Nazr was able to get 19 in game 5 after only 19 in the whole series. Did he suddenly become David Robinson re-incarnate after game 4? No.
Tim's playing within what the Sonics are doing defensively and what the Spurs are doing offensively. Manu has become more of a focal point in the offense, as has Parker. We actually have bench players like Big Dog and Robert Horry who will get their looks.
This Spurs team isn't nearly as dependent on Tim for offense as the teams of the last few years.
Compound that with the fact that Tim is still coming back from an injury and I think he's doing fine.
Without Timmy the Spurs would be watching Denver play Seattle tonight.
He's still the franchise.
RtD, a word of advice:
Before your "TD is playing like CWebb" comment becomes "RtD is the guy who said TD=Cwebb", which will haunt you for ever in this forum (if not ask whottt and his Coyote/Shane Heal comments), you should come out and say something like: "This was a bad idea, etc, etc, etc".
He is playing like CWebb IMO, if you feel like right now today, Tim Duncan is playing like his old self, and can not see why he looks like Chris Webber to me, then oh well I don't give a rat's ass, nor do I value the opinion of a person who thinks it's ok to bash a person's posts without actually reading them. If my saying this haunts me to the day I stop posting here, so be it.
You won't have to wait long. Duncan is gonna kick ass tonight.
Maybe it's because you named the thread "Duncan the new C-Webb?"
I think a lot of people just saw that and went off. But i read the "post", and it just doesn't sound like you thought this through very carefully.
Tim is avg more points and rebounds than Manu, so how could Manu be MVP?
Tim's numbers are more aligned with Amare than Webber. So, a thread saying: "Is Amare the new Duncan?" would be more appropriate, and you could still get your point across. (That, in your opinion, Tim is getting slow while new blood like Amare is threatening to take over.) Now that's a take you could have defended.
Just some suggestions, you can take it or leave it. But if I were you I'd apologize for using Tim and C-Webb in the same sentence, much less the same thread!
Geez, this thing has developed a life of its own. I've read the whole damn thing and I really don't know what you're getting at R2D. If you're saying that Duncan has loss a step after putting his body through a ringer for the last 10 months then yes, you're right. But unlike Webber this isn't going to be a permanent thing. Give Tim a summer off and you're going to see the old Tim come next season. Webber's loss of explosiveness is completely off the charts compared to Duncan's. In part I think Timmy is getting the ol' Tiger Woods rap. He was so damn good for so damn long that when he starts looking just plain great that people start talking about how he's slumping or over the hill. If what we're seeing from Duncan is as good as it ever gets from him I would still take him over any PF in the league.
Tim is not as explosive as he was before he went through the series of ankle injuries.
As far as I know, he's still getting cortisone shots.
That does not mean he is playing like Chris Webber. He is still getting the shots he wants close to the basket -- they're just not going in as consistently as they once did.
The biggest difference is that he's not using most of his post moves where he would have to push off that injured ankle. His defenders are adjusting to that,
Duncan has always used that bank shot to the left side. Seattle's big men have done a reasonable job into shoving him outside his range on that shot.
Duncan has always used that shot at the top of the key. The biggest difference is that he is hesitating before shooting it, usually because he's looking for Manu. Looking for Manu has become a really terrific option now, in case folks haven't noticed.
Tim is about 90-95% right now, and getting better game by game. Whatever slack there is is being picked up by Manu, who is establishing himself as not just a star, but a superstar.
I never thought that the emergence of a second superstar would cause "fans" to doubt Tim Duncan.
C-Webb is a soft player. He avoids contact. He wastes his size to play a finesse game, and with his lost quickness he is a s of his former self.
Tim Duncan hasn't had a rest in almost two years, and has played the entire postseason on a just-healed ankle that is still stiff and sore. Yet he is still playing at a 1st-team All-NBA level.
With all he has accomplished, for all he means to this team, for as easy as he makes the game for his teammates, for as dominant as he remains on both ends of the floor, if a person compares all that, even in his injured state, to Chris Webber's game, that person has exposed himself as a basketball idiot for the ages.
I propose that RobinsontoDuncan's description be changed from "Legend to Legend" to "Idiot for the Ages." That is a fitting punishment for his blasphemy.
He's just very protective over that right ankle, and thats good. As times comes, he will start playing to his full potential. I broke my leg back in July and im pretty sure i had a third degree ankle sprain to go along with it. I STILL don't jump when i rebound or shoot. I barely jump, and this is on accident. I always favor my opposing ankle.
Lets see who is talking about TD if the spurs win another le and he is again Finals MVP, or next year if he's healthy again the whole way gets 24 and 13 a game and is MVP of the league again, man you spurs fan are ungrateful.
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