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    "as planned years ago"

    Absolutely nothing has gone as "planned" in Iraq by the Repugs and neo-c*nts, except the obscene enrichment of the MIC.

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    "as planned years ago"

    Absolutely nothing has gone as "planned" in Iraq by the Repugs and neo-c*nts, except the obscene enrichment of the MIC.
    In combat, the missions and expectations change all the time. That's why only a total fool gives an "exit strategy" and mission plans to the enemy. Things have gone in line with what the last administration stated. We will pull out combat troops when the time is right. This was stated a few years ago but you choose to deny that fact. The time is now right. This phase of the mission is accomplished, no thanks to the current administration.

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    In combat, the missions and expectations change all the time. That's why only a total fool gives an "exit strategy" and mission plans to the enemy. Things have gone in line with what the last administration stated. We will pull out combat troops when the time is right. This was stated a few years ago but you choose to deny that fact. The time is now right.
    Sorry pal, Bushy expected to be at this point seven years ago. You simply can't spin that. It has taken this long due in no small part to his ups.

    This phase of the mission is accomplished, no thanks to the current administration.
    What specifically are you saying the current administration did to make the mission more difficult?

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    I wonder if not having a post war plan had anything to do with the war lasting 7 yrs..

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    I wonder if not having a post war plan had anything to do with the war lasting 7 yrs..
    The post war plan was bugging out after six months.

    1. Invade Iraq.

    2. ????

    3. Profit!

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    Remember that original US guy parachuted into to Iraq, Bremer? One his priorities was to make Iraq capitalisitc by starting a stock exchange! Holy , hilarious if it were not so sad.

    And disbanding the Army and banning Bathists.

    dubya, head, Rummy, Bremer, none of them got ANYTHING right. 30K troups in March, all out in September.

    Shinsheki said 400K troups required (which was accurate), and got his career terminated.

    As always with the Repugs, what's wrong is right, up is down, black is white. Their reality is pure doctrinal/political fantasy. The Real World kicked them in the teeth.

    And Americans want to give Congress back to these murderous, hubris-sodden, bad-faith, incompetent assholes?
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    Hey, George!

    Your viceroy wears combat boots!


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    In combat, the missions and expectations change all the time. That's why only a total fool gives an "exit strategy" and mission plans to the enemy. Things have gone in line with what the last administration stated. We will pull out combat troops when the time is right. This was stated a few years ago but you choose to deny that fact. The time is now right. This phase of the mission is accomplished, no thanks to the current administration.
    Fighting off insurgents for seven years was ABSOLUTELY NOT a part of the plans.

    Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld thought we were going to be greeted as liberators, and when that stupid didn't happen, everything went to complete . Those dumb ers had no idea what they were doing. NONE!

    That you think our seven year open-ended occupation was "part of the plans" just goes to show what a goddamn tool you are.

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    Fighting off insurgents for seven years was ABSOLUTELY NOT a part of the plans.
    It wasn't the initial expectation, but a known possibility.
    Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld thought we were going to be greeted as liberators, and when that stupid didn't happen, everything went to complete . Those dumb ers had no idea what they were doing. NONE!
    Bull . They knew what could occur.
    That you think our seven year open-ended occupation was "part of the plans" just goes to show what a goddamn tool you are.
    You forget, there were multiple contingency plans not advertised.

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    It wasn't the initial expectation, but a known possibility.

    Bull . They knew what could occur.

    You forget, there were multiple contingency plans not advertised.
    Oh, they were told what might happen, but didn't prepare for anything beyond the expected six month occupation -- then they kept ing up and made the situations they had not prepared for worse.

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    I find it amusing that Wild Cobra believes that knowing what could happen and actually planning for it are indistinguishable.

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    I find it amusing that Wild Cobra believes that knowing what could happen and actually planning for it are indistinguishable.
    Again, it's called contingency planning.

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    A contingency plan is supposed to be created before something goes wrong, not after. What you're thinking of is called a reaction.

    And there's no evidence to suggest they had a contingency plan. They did almost everything wrong including disbanding the Iraqi military and allowing 250,000 armed and angry men to go unemployed... some of which probably even joined the insurgency when they could have been helping fight it.

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    The time is now right.
    Why is the time right now WC?

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    Eh, not so fast....

    Combat brigades in Iraq under different name


    Obama will ing lie about anything...

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    Eh, not so fast....

    Combat brigades in Iraq under different name


    Obama will ing lie about anything...
    So do you support that decision or not?

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    Eh, not so fast....

    Combat brigades in Iraq under different name


    Obama will ing lie about anything...
    I actually feel better that the military was able to game plan "the plan" and protect the guys that have to turn out the lights when they leave.

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    So do you support that decision or not?
    I don't support lying about it for partisan gain. That was my point.

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    I actually feel better that the military was able to game plan "the plan" and protect the guys that have to turn out the lights when they leave.
    What does that even mean?

    They're still vulnerable...maybe more so.

    First US soldier killed in Iraq since withdrawal of combat troops

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    Better late than never I guess. No matter what we do that country will eventually become a full blown storm once we're gonna, keeping any resources/people there just delays the inevitable.

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    Yoni, it's smoke and mirrors. POTUS plays golf and reads speeches and lets everyone else run the country. He has already realized he's 4 and done. Political posturing/campaigning just met reality. Being President is tough and he isn't up to the task. He knows it.

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    Better late than never I guess. No matter what we do that country will eventually become a full blown storm once we're gonna, keeping any resources/people there just delays the inevitable.
    So long as the United States continues to fight with itself over how to prosecute the greater war on radical Islamic terrorism, you're right.

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    so CosmicCowboy are you hanging any blacks these days?

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    Yoni, it's smoke and mirrors. POTUS plays golf and reads speeches and lets everyone else run the country. He has already realized he's 4 and done. Political posturing/campaigning just met reality. Being President is tough and he isn't up to the task. He knows it.
    , I keep hoping he'll throw in the towel and resign early...No one is forcing him to stay the full four.

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    so CosmicCowboy are you hanging any blacks these days?
    It's got nothing to do with race for brains. It's all about competence.

    Obama knows he is out of his league.

    He is already working on his legacy as the "kind and gentle and caring" president. The mirror is broken and the smoke is clearing.

    He's being exposed as an eloquent junior senator that rode the perfect storm into the white house.

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