George Hill IS a PG in this system.

[DrSteffo]

damn, he really did that!
thought it must be something like a running gag or secrete code, but then I checked and only thought wow. no irony, no sarcasm. he really meant that.
but ok, he also wanted to trade for Jared Jeffries. at least he's pretty consistent in what he's doing.

Yes he meant it and after starting threads like that he acts like he is the only one who understands basketball

[chazley]

It's more about no one giving a about you or your thread.

haha you're so mad that I keep dominating you every time we have a discussion.

Plus almost everytime I make a thread it gets at least 50+ replies, and you wanna bash me loool.

[Nathan89]

haha you're so mad that I keep dominating you every time we have a discussion.

Plus almost everytime I make a thread it gets at least 50+ replies, and you wanna bash me loool.

You replied 10 times on this thread, so that doesn't count.

[FkLA]

He'd be taking over for Tony Parker people, jesus ing christ. Not for Steve Nash or Rajon Rondo. Tony Parker. The same Tony Parker who's game is primarily scoring. I really dont get this whole argument by Parker loyalists. It's not like Tony runs the offense masterfully, and for all those times he penetrates and kicks out there's also times where his overdribbling absolutely kills the team's flow. Hill wont be a Nashesque PG but he can be a scoring PG, just like #9.

Also enough with the whole Nash destroyed him BS, Amare 'destroys' Tim everytime we face the Suns in the playoffs yet I rarely see anyone call him out. Nash has always put up big numbers against us as well, Hill or no Hill. These players are elite offensive players theyll get theirs regardless of who guards them tbh. The same game can be played with Parker though, if Hill struggles with the speedier PGs what about Parker's struggles with the bigger PGs? Guys like Billups who often abuse him down in the block?

I just find it funny how Parker fans are quick to assume anyone who believes Hill is ready is a Parker hater, yet theyre completely oblivious to how much out of their way they go to hate on Hill. Any weakness Hill may have is magnified and Parker's are conveniently ignored, its laughable. Like I said keep on dreaming that the Spurs will magically extend him and the Spurs and Parker will live happily ever after. Its cute.

[chazley]

You replied 10 times on this thread, so that doesn't count.

It'll end with at least 50 replies from others, don't worry bro

[benefactor]

haha you're so mad that I keep dominating you every time we have a discussion.

Plus almost everytime I make a thread it gets at least 50+ replies, and you wanna bash me loool.

It's more about no one giving a about you or your thread.

[chazley]

Does the fact that no one gives a about you make it so you need to try and say no one gives a about me? You're the one who comes off as insecure and you sound like a 12 year old schoolgirl.

Get over yourself and GTFO out of my thread unless you wanna keep getting bashed.

[benefactor]

Does the fact that no one gives a about you make it so you need to try and say no one gives a about me? You're the one who comes off as insecure and you sound like a 12 year old schoolgirl.

Get over yourself and GTFO out of my thread unless you wanna keep getting bashed.

Post count insults....check.

Award insults....check.

12 year old school girl insults....check.

You want to go for the mom's basement insult or unemployed insult so you can go ahead and complete the hat trick? I'm still posting here and I'd love to have some more of your bashing.

[ducks]

The Lakers could win a championship with Jacque Vaughn at PG..

fisher always helps his team win atleast one game in a series in the playoffs
he is money in the playofffs

[Waps1980]

The Fish is the only guy on that team who can tell Kobe whats what and Kobe will listen.
That is a very important additional role he adds.

[duhoh]

What 'aspects' of the game is Fisher better at than Hill, other than leadership? It's not 3-point shooting, maybe ball-handling, not passing...

you honestly think hill could handle being next to kobe during crunch time?

who else would kobe trust? hill would be too scared to do anything at all.

read more, post less.

[Blackjack]

... everytime I post something spectacular, the 80% of posters on here who are very uninformed about basketball in general bash me.

.........

Good one, #2-ish.

[Chieflion]

chazley always posts some spectacular stuff. My jaw always drops and my stomach always hurts after reading his posts.


After laughing.

[chazley]

Again, if you guys have nothing constructive to add then GTFO of my thread, you're useless rants against me are pointless and no one cares. If I'm such garbage then stop opening my incredible threads and go back to whatever crappy threads you guys usually respond to.

[chazley]

you honestly think hill could handle being next to kobe during crunch time?

who else would kobe trust? hill would be too scared to do anything at all.

read more, post less.

If Smush Parker could handle it for 2 years, George Hill can handle it.

Also, I think Kobe would absolutely LOVE to have Hill on his team, he has an incredible work ethic for a guy with only 2 years of NBA experience, and Kobe is going to respect that, and anyone who has watched at least 48 minutes of basketball in their life can see that Hill has game. Kobe would respect that and take George under his wing.

Read me more, post in other threads and not mine with you're terrible points.

[chazley]

Love how this thread has turned into 'Would Hill be able to win a championship on the Lakers as a starting PG?' Rather than what I intended it to be.

I know the point I made about it was incredible, but I was hoping to get some of the village idiots who think George can't be a PG to come out and try and discuss this with me.

[Man In Black]

Love how this thread has turned into 'Would Hill be able to win a championship on the Lakers as a starting PG?' Rather than what I intended it to be.

I know the point I made about it was incredible, but I was hoping to get some of the village idiots who think George can't be a PG to come out and try and discuss this with me.

I defined why GHill isn't THE PG in this system...but look...no response back.

But whatever...this isn't a TP vs GHill argument. It's more about which players give the Spurs the best chance of winning. TP, still has the edge over GHill. But it's their combined efforts that help keep opposing PG's in check, whatever their accolades.

[GSH]

The Lakers don't need a PG that averages 10 AST per game, because they have 3 bigs that average over 3 AST per game each. Say o to the triangle offense. The rest of the discussion about Fisher and Hill is nonsense. In a triangle, no PG is going to put up huge assist numbers. If they did, it wouldn't be a triangle offense. Damn, people.

I know I posted this in another thread, but last season, Hill played 2276 total minutes vs. 2150 for Manu, but Manu recorded 370 AST while Hill had just 226. Manu usually averages about 4.5-4.6 AST/36 minutes. Last season he averaged 6.2 AST/36 minutes. Which one do you think was the backup PG? The same person who is likely to be the backup PG this season, unless something changes drastically.

BTW - during their championship years, the Bulls' high-assist man was always Scottie Pippen. (Except the last year when Pippen was hurt, and then it was Tony Kukoc.) Sound familiar? Don't try and compare a PG in the triangle to one from any other team. It makes no sense.

[chazley]

The Lakers don't need a PG that averages 10 AST per game, because they have 3 bigs that average over 3 AST per game each. Say o to the triangle offense. The rest of the discussion about Fisher and Hill is nonsense. In a triangle, no PG is going to put up huge assist numbers. If they did, it wouldn't be a triangle offense. Damn, people.

I know I posted this in another thread, but last season, Hill played 2276 total minutes vs. 2150 for Manu, but Manu recorded 370 AST while Hill had just 226. Manu usually averages about 4.5-4.6 AST/36 minutes. Last season he averaged 6.2 AST/36 minutes. Which one do you think was the backup PG? The same person who is likely to be the backup PG this season, unless something changes drastically.

BTW - during their championship years, the Bulls' high-assist man was always Scottie Pippen. (Except the last year when Pippen was hurt, and then it was Tony Kukoc.) Sound familiar? Don't try and compare a PG in the triangle to one from any other team. It makes no sense.

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I understand what you're saying, but you're completely wrong.

Manu on this team plays a point-SG role. He doesn't bring the ball up, but he creates alot of the offense. Same with Duncan. He has good assist numbers himself because he's a master of passing out of double teams. Traditionally, our center has been an above-average passer also. Our best passing center was Fab.

It's basically the same as the Lakers, where they don't need a PG to set up each person, instead it's everyone setting each other up. TP gets a large majority of points on his own creating off the dribble, which we would obviously miss without him in our system.

Like I have said previously though... TP, right now, is a better fit for our system than George. I'm not arguing that, and nowhere have I said he was either a better player or fit than TP.

I believe George has the potential to be an upgraded Fisher, with more length. He does almost everything better than Fisher on the basketball court (aka no intangibles like leadership/clutchness count). In the future, he can develop all the intangibles a guy at PG should have. Again, he just finished his 2nd season.

[chazley]

My only issue with you telling me he can be a point guard is me knowing that he can't be a dominant one. Yes, TP isn't a prototypical point. He's not pass-first, but at least one can say that he has spent the bulk of his pro career, France included, as being a point guard. He has an understanding of what a true PG needs, and while one can say that his low assists numbers pale to Nash or Paul, I counter with the fact, that when he attacks, he gets to the rim and hits a high percentage of his drives. Also, when it comes to GHill, he's more combo guard than point. He has spent the bulk of his basketball life as a 2 guard and as such, there are more responsibilities he needs to get to become a solid 1. If you say, well Ginobili can do it, I counter with the fact, that Ginobili has been doing it since Italy and with his National Team. In essence, it took time. The time needed for GHill won't be fast enough for Tim Duncan's career. In order to maximize the time left in Tim's career, then Pop has to go with the best foundation that he can. That foundation includes TP and GHill's contributions as a combo guard augment the Spurs. While the depth he provides makes the team stronger, if he was the main point...I feel, the team would be weaker.

Again, you're misconstruing what I said.

I said George Hill can be a PG in this sytem. Nowhere did he should take the place of Tony during Tim's remaining career. I believe George has the potential to be a really good PG in 2-3 years. We still have TP in his prime... in 2-3 years when TP's speed starts to dwindle (maybe sooner by the looks of last season, but I believe last season was a fluke for TP), TP will have to become a 6th man and Hill will take the reigns of the starting PG role.

It is more likely than unlikely at this point that we will be losing TP next summer, or trading him at the deadline. If that's the case, I have no problems giving the reigns to George if it comes down to it (I prefer TP staying long-term), even if we won't be as good for a short while.

People always wondered what Manu could do if he were on a team that played him 36-39 minutes a night. He showed us in Feb-March. He is a superstar and a top-3 SG in this league, even at the age of 32, when given the ball/minutes. However, he needs the ball in his hands to be that dominant player, and with Hill running the point, Manu becomes the offensive focal point/setup man. It worked well last season.

[GSH]

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I understand what you're saying, but you're completely wrong.

Manu on this team plays a point-SG role. He doesn't bring the ball up, but he creates alot of the offense. Same with Duncan. He has good assist numbers himself because he's a master of passing out of double teams. Traditionally, our center has been an above-average passer also. Our best passing center was Fab.

It's basically the same as the Lakers, where they don't need a PG to set up each person, instead it's everyone setting each other up. TP gets a large majority of points on his own creating off the dribble, which we would obviously miss without him in our system.

Like I have said previously though... TP, right now, is a better fit for our system than George. I'm not arguing that, and nowhere have I said he was either a better player or fit than TP.

I believe George has the potential to be an upgraded Fisher, with more length. He does almost everything better than Fisher on the basketball court (aka no intangibles like leadership/clutchness count). In the future, he can develop all the intangibles a guy at PG should have. Again, he just finished his 2nd season.

Okay - I didn't see the "troll thread" warnings before I bothered to post. Have a good life.

[TJastal]

Again, you're misconstruing what I said.

I said George Hill can be a PG in this sytem. Nowhere did he should take the place of Tony during Tim's remaining career. I believe George has the potential to be a really good PG in 2-3 years. We still have TP in his prime... in 2-3 years when TP's speed starts to dwindle (maybe sooner by the looks of last season, but I believe last season was a fluke for TP), TP will have to become a 6th man and Hill will take the reigns of the starting PG role.

It is more likely than unlikely at this point that we will be losing TP next summer, or trading him at the deadline. If that's the case, I have no problems giving the reigns to George if it comes down to it (I prefer TP staying long-term), even if we won't be as good for a short while.

People always wondered what Manu could do if he were on a team that played him 36-39 minutes a night. He showed us in Feb-March. He is a superstar and a top-3 SG in this league, even at the age of 32, when given the ball/minutes. However, he needs the ball in his hands to be that dominant player, and with Hill running the point, Manu becomes the offensive focal point/setup man. It worked well last season.

+1

I agree with this. IMO Hill will probably take the reigns of the offense after this year if Parker bolts and his role won't be to rack up 10+ assists a game, the point guard duties will be a shared effort between him, Manu, Temple and possibly Neal.

Eventually he'll start learning more intricate things such as how to get others involved in the offense and not just himself. So there will be life after Parker (should he bolt for NY).

[benefactor]

Again, if you guys have nothing constructive to add then GTFO of my thread, you're useless rants against me are pointless and no one cares. If I'm such garbage then stop opening my incredible threads and go back to whatever crappy threads you guys usually respond to.

Make me.

[chazley]

Make me.

No thanks you're not worth it, even if you're a seal bounce champion.

[benefactor]

No thanks you're not worth it, even if you're a seal bounce champion.

You are so cute. I love seeing people venture out into the internets for the first time. It's like watching a colt attempt standing after being born.