Utah Jazz

[Girasuck]

My main point is that white, American born wing players are never anything more than role players in the NBA 99.9% of the time, especially in the modern era.

We're not asking him, nor expecting him to be anything more than a solid role player.

[Purch]

Who was the last American born white SG or SF to make an AS team?

Who was asking him to be an All-Star?

That's not what we need or expect from him on this team

[Purch]

There's a reason no one in Minnesota tried to keep Jefferson instead of basically salary dumping him off to any team that would take his contract.

Btw here's more reactions to the Jefferson trade

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...f=22&t=1022649

[Goran Dragic]

Who was asking him to be an All-Star?

That's not what we need or expect from him on this team

You're gonna need him to be an all star if you want any chance at making it out of the West.

[Purch]

You're gonna need him to be that if you want any chance at making it out of the West.

Not at all.

That's' not what he's here for. And Hayward probably not getting more then 15 mins per game his first year.

What we " need" Is Al Jefferson, AK-47 ,Okur and Bell to be healthy

[Goran Dragic]

Not at all.

That's' not what he's here for. And Hayward probably not getting more then 15 mins per game his first year.

What we " need" Is Al Jefferson, AK-47 ,Okur and Bell to be healthy

even if they are all healthy for the players and Hayward turns into a Mike Miller-esk role player, you're not getting past LA as a team built around a PG.

[Purch]

You're gonna need him to be an all star if you want any chance at making it out of the West.

He's gonna get his easy looks and stats. And we have so many different possible lineups at the 2/3 Starting and off the bench that we can adjust to him.

[21_Blessings]

Actually everyonein Minny wanted to keep him

http://www.twolvesblog.com/

Go Check the forum for yourself. All the old Al Jefferson threads. He's the fan favriote

The team was going into a high paced offense that didn't fit his game. So the split was coming eventually

And if you go find the trade thread no one agreed with Kahn's decision?

I was referring to Minnesota's front office. And I hardly give a if he was a fan favorite. Even then Jefferson being a fan favorite for leading their to team to a record every season when he was the center piece of the Kevin Garnett trade is quite the comedy. His numbers can't possibly be more empty.

Look at a Jazz forum did you see anyone crying Over Booze

Jazz fans have Okur and Milsap while Minnesota has Darko and Kevin Love.

But you guys should be crying since you replaced Booze with an even bigger piece of that willingly drives around drunk. Not to mention a worse defender, with a much lower bball IQ that struggles with his weight and happens to be coming of a torn ACL.

[balli]

We're not making it out of the west. Our (and every other western team's) championship is losing to LA in the conf. finals. IMO.

[Purch]

I was referring to Minnesota's front office. And I hardly give a if he was a fan favorite. Even then Jefferson being a fan favorite for leading their to team to a record every season when he was the center piece of the Kevin Garnett trade. His numbers can't possibly be more empty.



Jazz fans have Okur and Milsap while Minnesota has Darko and Kevin Love.

But you guys should be crying since you replaced Booze with an even bigger piece of that willingly drives around drunk. Not to mention a worse defender, with a much lower bball IQ that struggles with his weight and happens to be coming of a torn ACL.

What? You're basing your whole opinion on the guy off a DWI?

He played 76 games coming off an acl.

He's not a worse defender since Boozer is about the worst you can get as a defender. He's the guy who stands around and waits for a rebound before a shot even goes up. And Jefferson's a better shotblocker.


And he's a dominant post player which Boozer has never been.

[Goran Dragic]

We're not making it out of the west. Our (and every other western team's) championship is losing to LA in the conf. finals. IMO.

Probably, but I assume you'd want your team to go for a chance to beat LA. Al Jefferson was a good move in my book, but that Knick pick shoulda been used on a SG or SF with all star potential, even if it meant packaging that pick with AK-47 to get Philly's #2 pick and Brand's contract so you could take Evan Turner.

[balli]

My goals for this Jazz season are that:

1. Everybody stays free from major injury.
2. We have a decent road record.
3. We draw NoH in the playoffs so we can sweep them and Deron can humiliate Chris Paul 4 playoff games in a row.
4. If somebody on LA gets hurt, we advance to the Finals.

[Purch]

Not to mention the only two things Boozer brings that Jefferson doesn't is passing and a better mid range game.

[DPG21920]

My goals for this Jazz season are that:


3. We draw NoH in the playoffs so we can sweep them and Deron can humiliate Chris Paul 4 playoff games in a row.
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[Purch]

My goals for this Jazz season are that:

1. Everybody stays free from major injury.
2. We have a decent road record.
3. We draw NoH in the playoffs so we can sweep them and Deron can humiliate Chris Paul 4 playoff games in a row.
4. If somebody on LA gets hurt, we advance to the Finals.

I was looking at Jefferson's stats and he actually seems to play better on the road. At least efficiency Wise

[balli]

Probably, but I assume you'd want your team to go for a chance to beat LA. Al Jefferson was a good move in my book, but that Knick pick shoulda been used on a SG or SF with all star potential, even if it meant packaging that pick with AK-47 to get Philly's #2 pick and Brand's contract so you could take Evan Turner.

I'd rather have Al Jeff and Hayward and AK (plus his still expiring contract), rather than Elton Brand and an unproven commodity/potential All-Star.

Keeping Deron happy is a real necessity and that means not rebuilding through the draft, on the fly.

[badfish22]

as long as we have the best pg in basketball.

Wont be too long tbh

[Purch]

Wont be too long tbh

So the only reason you made this thread is to promote the whole Deron to Dallas idea?

[Goran Dragic]

I'd rather have Al Jeff and Hayward and AK (plus his still expiring contract), rather than Elton Brand and an unproven commodity/potential All-Star.

Keeping Deron happy is a real necessity and that means not rebuilding through the draft, on the fly.

I think Deron woulda been plenty happy playing next to Evan Turner. A year from now when he's still the only player on Utah who can do anything off the dribble, his happiness might be an afterthought.

[Purch]

I think Deron woulda been plenty happy playing next to Evan Turner. A year from now when he's still the only player on Utah who can do anything off the dribble, his happiness might be an afterthought.

Now he has the option of throwing it down low to Al Jefferson who won't be triple teamed and has a top post game in the Nba.

[Purch]

See Al Jefferson never had a problem with playing against Top defensive Centers like Dwight


Game 1:

Al Jefferson: 23/13
Dwight Howard: 12/14/3

Game 2:

Al Jefferson: 28/6/3
Dwight Howard: 10/14/3

Game 3:

Al Jefferson : 25/10/1
Dwight Howard: 28/16/1

Game 4:

Al Jefferson: 18/11/1
Dwight Howard: 20/14/4

Game 5:

Al Jefferson : 19/8/2
Dwight Howard: 23/14

Game 6:

Al Jefferson: 16/7/2
Dwight Howard: 17/5/2

Game 7:

Al Jefferson: 14/10/3
Dwight Howard: 9/15/4

Game 8:

Al Jefferson: 18/13
Dwight Howard: 24/19/4

[Goran Dragic]

Now he has the option of throwing it down low to Al Jefferson who won't be triple teamed and has a top post game in the Nba.

Still doesn't take away ball handling duties or take pressure off of him. IMO, he's only gonna put up with having such a huge burden on offense for so much longer.

[Purch]

Still doesn't take away ball handling duties or take pressure off of him. IMO, he's only gonna put up with having such a huge burden on offense for so much longer.

It doesn't take the ball handling duties off of him but having a dominat low post score definitly takes pressure off of him. Because Al Jefferson has consistantly forced teams to double team him down low his whole career

[21_Blessings]

What? You're basing your whole opinion on the guy off a DWI?

He played 76 games coming off an acl.

Jefferson sucked last season coming off acl surgery; did you even watch him? It was awkward bad. And you're a piece of if you choose to drive under the influence no matter who you are. Booze is just the rich asshole that got paid. What a jerk!

He's not a worse defender since Boozer is about the worst you can get as a defender. And Jefferson's a better shotblocker.

Shotblocking != defense

Jefferson's lateral quickness is non-existent and he's an abysmal post defender with a very low defensive IQ. However bad you thought Boozer was at defense Jefferson is going to be overall worse. One extra block a game isn't going to cover up the rest of deficiencies on that end.

And he's a dominant post player which Boozer has never been

Dominant post players don't usually shoot under 50%. Yes his post game has some flash but hes mediocre everywhere else offensively and hardly physical. Jefferson won't be running the p/r with Deron nearly as effectively either.

I'm not sure what you think Al Jefferson is going to 'become' by playing for the Jazz.

[Purch]

Jefferson sucked last season coming off acl surgery; did you even watch him? It was awkward bad. And you're a piece of if you choose to drive under the influence no matter who you are. Booze is just the rich asshole that got paid. What a jerk!



Shotblocking != defense

Jefferson's lateral quickness is non-existent and he's an abysmal post defender with a very low defensive IQ. However bad you thought Boozer was at defense Jefferson is going to be overall worse. And extra block or game isn't going to cover up the rest of deficiencies on that end.




Dominant post players don't usually shoot under 50%. Yes his post game has some flash but hes mediocre everywhere else offensively and hardly physical. Jefferson won't be running the p/r with Deron nearly as effectively either.

I'm not sure what you think Al Jefferson is going to 'become' by playing for the Jazz.

Actually Jefferson improved every month coming off the Acl injury

October : 10/6
November : 17/8
December: 18/10
January: 18/12

All the way up till march when he was averging 19/11

Playing 76 games coming off acl surgery is a major accomplishment. But averging 19/10 off one is crazy.

And how ever bad I thought Boozer was as a defender? YOu mean the guy who could never block a shot? Always went for the rebound instead of defending? Got beat by every simple spin?

I'm Good


And like I said how is Jefferson gonna shoot 50% after getting double or triple teamed every possesion with no one on his team who's actually good?
And how is he gonna shoot efficently when he gets no easy buckets off set ups?

"In over 200 post plays on Minnesota never once did he get a pick to free him, only once was he moving when he caught the ball. He just gets the ball in the left block sets himself and makes a move and converts it 48% of the time. If you consider how many times he's fouled it's about a point a possession"

"On the over 200 post plays I watched only 7 times did he catch and shoot right off a pass, think about how many times Boozer and Millsap have just caught the ball and quickly put it up off good passing"

And actually Jefferson is very effective in pick and rolls.

Since January 4th he hasn't missed a shot rolling to the basket off a pick and roll. And is actually more accurate rolling to the basket then Boozer. And gets to the line more