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Im pretty sure TP will surprise and NOT surprise all of us and stay with the spurs
If we don't have him re-signed by the trade deadline, trade him for some good picks. Lottery pick.
Im pretty sure TP will surprise and NOT surprise all of us and stay with the spurs
I think his motive is pretty clear. He made it very clear that he was pissed when he got called back to San Antonio. He's letting the French fans know that it won't happen again.
Is there a subtle message that he knows it won't happen because he won't be with the Spurs? Or is he sending a message to Spurs' management that he won't be told what to do? Hard to say. But after going on the record with a statement like that, it's going to be pretty hard for him to back down. If the team isn't okay with him playing international ball next summer, they probably should look at getting value for him now. Because if they ask him not to play, I think he'll tell them to shove it.
If the team is fine with him competing with the NT, then I guess there's no problem. But they have to know that if he plays next summer and gets hurt again, they are going to lose some fan support. And I'm not so sure it's a good idea to let any player, even one of Parker's caliber, lead management around by the balls.
I like Parker, but he's pretty much thrown down a gauntlet with that comment.
It's all going to depend on this season. Tony has every reason in the world to play the best he ever has.
i agree and someone else brought up a good point on the RJ Bonner signing and it would make no sense at all to trade parker since we signed those two players, while i agree in a sense theres a variable a very important one which has fueled these parker discussions and thats george hill now lets say we get allstar potential young talent with heighth ! now add george hill and it doesnt seem like too much of a blow at that pg spot. yes i know hill didnt run point like tony but he did show he could def drive it past anyone and dish and shoot and defend so i think thats what makes this trade so intrigueing.
would you rather have an unhappy tony who plays national ball and everyone is mad about it, paired up with rj bonner manu and tim for a while or would you in fact trade tony for some very high picks, or potential talent and have a stronger future with george hill who seems more than capable of taking on such pressure? i'd rather look to the future and see what we can get for tony and seeing that our F.O has great scouts with a top pick or some first rounders with young great talent sure would be exciting. i think either way we win but there has to be a decesion made not this let em walk mentality that pop has moronically bought in to
I would rather keep Tony Parker. I don't mind if he plays for his NT. Gerge Hill showed that when it mattered the most he could not defend old man Nash. Parker is simply much better than George Hill on O and on D.
Mel_13, this isn't the first time you've applied reason when posting in a thread here. If it continues, Mods will have to be notified.
Please, re-assess your position and adopt one of the more extreme reactions.
Uhh no he didn't. George needs to improve his handles and drive to the rack a lot more. He is nowhere near the penetrator TP is and he certainly did not show that he can drive it past anyone.
Manu will also play next summer and in 2012:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/new...p?newsid=44526
but but Spurs signed him an extension !!!!!!!!!!
Manu should have played this year.
With the mediocre level of the WC, he missed on the opportunity to win his last le.
Remember, "non-American players will only be remembered for what they accomplish with their NT"?
Even if he has zero chance to win anything with France, he still wants to try.
And yes, the Spurs FO should consider trade offers for a 9 years veteran with a story of 12 ankles injuries very seriously.
You can tell Manu what you think at the sites:
http://www.facebook.com/ManuGinobili
http://twitter.com/manuginobili
http://usa.manuginobili.com/
We remember. Still funny.
constant twinkies.
But this doesnt come from Manu's mouth. 7 times. and his wife. There is a difference.
Not saying it wont happen though.
Yes it does:
What do I mean by this? As I expressed before, my two previous experiences on the Olympics where the best thing that ever happened to me as an athlete, including the NBA rings, European championships and everything I lived on my almost 15 years of career, and I have no doubts in my head that I would like to live that again. I know the qualification won’t be easy either. That’s why my intention is to also play the pre Olympic tournament in 2011 that I understand have great chances to be organized in Argentina. It would be really nice to play an official championship on our own home court with our people after a decade (the only one was in 2001 in Neuquen) don’t you think? The idea is to accomplish the qualification and then yes, play my last (very possibly but one never knows) championship with the guys and with the white and blue in my chest.
After what happened in Beijing 2008, the surgery, the two fractures and the horrid 2008-2009 season, it took me a whole lot of time to be back in shape and recover my game. It has been two years already since I haven’t been able to have a good pre season conditioning,; the 2008 one, because of the games themselves and doubts about my ankle and the 2009 one to recover from my last fracture. Then I would like to take advantage of this recess to be physically 10 points, have a great 2010-2011 season and then, be in optimal condition both mentally and physically to qualify in 2011 and then play the London Olympics in 2012. Just in case, I would like to clarify that the Spurs have nothing to do with my decision and that in fact they told me they have no issues with me playing in 2011 and 2012.
http://usa.manuginobili.com/ginobili_100424.html
That’s why my intention is...
Honestly, I hope like he doesnt do it. These guys think they are superheroes, but if he does this the Spurs will suffer. Never fails.
The simple bottom line is that both Tony and Manu made their intentions known on this subject last spring, Manu in April and Tony in May. Both said that would not participate in 2010 and they would play in 2011 and 2012. If you're going to find hidden messages, agendas, gauntlets, etc. in Tony's position on NT play then you must find the same things in Manu's position. They're identical. Both want to play in the 2012 Olympics and both realize that they must help their NTs qualify in 2011.
Get over it.
You said it differently that time, Temujin. I agreed with you before, but not this time.
Non-American players are remembered back home for what they accomplish with their NT. Tony and Manu will be enshrined here. Their numbers will be retired, and their jersies hung in the rafters. We are more than willing to celebrate non-American players, and treat them as "one of our own" - regardless of where they came from.
The only NT that most Americans even remember is the original Dream Team. It was the first time we were able to send professionals (unlike many other countries, but that's another story). We actually sent our best players, and demolished the compe ion on the way to the gold medal. But even most Spurs fans think that David Robinson was on Dream Team II also. That's because they completely forget about the 1994 Worlds, which Team USA won handily. (Robinson was on Dream Team III, in the 96 Olympics.)
Bottom line... we love international players. We're just not overwhelmed with the level of play in international compe ions. Most French fans really don't give a about any player, unless he comes from France and plays for the French NT. That's why it always kills me when they talk about American fans the way they do.
Lots of us do say the same thing about Manu's position. People here love Manu, even though he thoroughly ed over the Spurs by playing summer ball when he was already badly injured. But if he pulls the same again, he might not hear so many cheers at the beginning of the next season. I know that I'll be looking to cheer some other player that actually gives a about playing in front of the best fans in the NBA.
You get over it, short bus.
Last edited by GSH; 09-14-2010 at 02:01 PM.
Yet another internet guy that resorts to juvenile name calling when they are incapable of sustaining their point of view. Impressive.
You insinuated that Spurs fans see Tony and Manu differently, when it comes to playing summer ball. That was stupid. When you say something stupid, and then end the post with an abrasive comment like "get over it", expect to be called what you are. You screw with the bull, you get the horns.
As for sustaining a point of view? Tony and Manu have indicated that they want to play for their NT's in 2011 and 2012. What if there is some question about their health? What if the Spurs ask them not to? What if there is some question about their health, and the Spurs tell them not to play?
My impression, from reading their comments is that Manu probably learned his lesson, and would decline to play summer ball if he is injured. And Tony didn't learn any lesson from what happened to Manu, and would play anyway. He made it clear last year that he was upset with the Spurs and their doctors for being too cautious. So what does that suggest? Probably that he wanted to continue playing, even though he was injured.
Saying that you want to play for your NT, and saying that you WILL be playing are two different things. That's what Parker did. And, yes, it looks a lot like throwing down a gauntlet. (Didn't the French invent that custom?) Sometimes people say things like that, and reveal more about their intentions than they planned to. If that's not what Parker intended, he should probably choose his words more carefully. Or maybe he should just spend more time working out, and less time updating his damned Facebook page.
I'm not one of the Parker-haters on this forum. I like Parker. But if I'm going to be honest, I don't think he intends to re-sign with the Spurs. And I think part of that has to do with being called away from the French NT because of his injury (injuries). And I think part of it has to do with coming off the bench last season, which Manu has been doing for years. So if he plans to leave anyway, him. Get some value for him, bring in someone new, turn the page.
Does that "sustain my point of view" well enough for you, short bus? My advice is don't tell people things like "get over it" unless you want to start an argument.
No. You just reaffirmed that you are incapable of sustaining a point of view without resorting to personal insults. I expressed a view with which you disagreed. Rather than simply stating your point of view, you went with ad hominem attacks. So, you continue to fail.
I wasnt privy to Manu's comments, and still dont think anything is set in stone with either one honestly. If Parker is trying to find suitors as a free agent next summer I dont know he will play.
And simply stating isnt what we are seeing with Parker. He is on a veritable PR campaign. During a contract year.
Manu has not gone to this extent.
But either way, either player would be screwing their team. They are both too old for this summer play.
I absolutely agree with you on the first bolded part. The events of the next eleven months can't be predicted with any certainty, so I wouldn't be surprised if things changed. I would be much more surprised, however, if Manu changes his mind than Tony. The pre-Olympic tourney for the Americas will be in Argentina, so I believe it will take a significant injury to keep Manu out of that event. While Tony has said that he'll play even if he doesn't have a new NBA contract, I have my doubts that he would risk all those future earnings. We'll see.
The second bolded part is where we disagree. I just don't see it the same way. Many of the Parker stories we've seen since the end of the season are based on "sources close to Parker". Then those stories get reported by a dozen different outlets and it begins to look like a campaign. From where I sit, the stories that contain actual quotes by Tony seem fairly benign. Again, we'll see.
You may be right. My take is solely based on my gut. We will see.
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