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  1. #51
    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    No, but I didn't expect the 67-win Mavericks to flame out in the first round or the 64-win Detroit Pistons to miss the NBA Finals. Sometimes teams are hotter than others and they simply lose.
    So are you saying that the Cavs underachieved to your expectations?

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    Each Day Offers Potential Darrin's Avatar
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    So are you saying that the Cavs underachieved to your expectations?
    Yes, but that doesn't mean that it's a referendum on a 26-year-old and his ability to lead a team. One, he's young. Two, he's not the coach. Three, he's not the GM. Four, he bolted for basketball reasons because the team was strapped for cash and what would that team look like in two years?

  3. #53
    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Yes, but that doesn't mean that it's a referendum on a 26-year-old and his ability to lead a team. One, he's young. Two, he's not the coach. Three, he's not the GM. Four, he bolted for basketball reasons because the team was strapped for cash and what would that team look like in two years?
    ok so let me get this straight...You think the Cavs have a crappy team, yet they got the best record twice in a row...

    To top all that, you also thought they underacheived and should have gotten past the 2nd round, yet you think that Lebrons teammates sucks.

    Wow...thats alot of expectations on a team that sucks.

    Gee, you must have expected the Mavericks, OKC, Boston and San Antonio to win it all since thier team is more stacked then the Cavs right.

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    It's simple really. Lebron cant lead a team, thats why he bolted to be second fiddle.

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    So are you saying that the Cavs underachieved to your expectations?
    TheMACHINE, you are an idiot. According to you, the 2004 Lakers team with Malone (2x MVP), Payton (9x allstar), Shaq and Kobe was the biggest disappointing team in NBA history? And that pays a testament to Kobe's legacy: couldn't even win with these 4 "superstars" on his team.

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    He cant lead a team, thats why needed Kobe to get him a Gold Medal.

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    He cant lead a team, thats why needed Kobe to get him a Gold Medal.
    Give him a team with a relevant star or two.... Er, Cleveland couldn't do that.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    TheMACHINE, you are an idiot. According to you, the 2004 Lakers team with Malone (2x MVP), Payton (9x allstar), Shaq and Kobe was the biggest disappointing team in NBA history? And that pays a testament to Kobe's legacy: couldn't even win with these 4 "superstars" on his team.
    yes..that was a disapointment.

    But i ask you this genius. Was it Kobe's team or Shaq's?

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    Give him a team with a relevant star or two.... Er, Cleveland couldn't do that.
    You're right. Give Lebron a Finals MVP next to him and another top 10 player in Bosh so he can win. lol

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    TheMACHINE, you are an idiot. According to you, the 2004 Lakers team with Malone (2x MVP), Payton (9x allstar), Shaq and Kobe was the biggest disappointing team in NBA history? And that pays a testament to Kobe's legacy: couldn't even win with these 4 "superstars" on his team.
    it definatley took a hit in Kobe's legacy, but he made up for it when he rang 2 more.

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    You're right. Give Lebron a Finals MVP next to him and another top 10 player in Bosh so he can win. lol
    Sounds like what Jordan got and similar to what Kobe has had right?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Sounds like what Jordan got and similar to what Kobe has had right?
    Kobe had another "finals MVP" next to him these past 2 years?

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    yes..that was a disapointment.

    But i ask you this genius. Was it Kobe's team or Shaq's?
    Depends on how you wanna look at Kobe's legacy. Failed to deliver with a monster team like that, or was just one of the 4 and Shaq was the ringleader, which means he rode those first 3 of his.

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    Kobe had another "finals MVP" next to him these past 2 years?
    Did the word similar lose meaning in the English dictionary in the last few minutes?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Depends on how you wanna look at Kobe's legacy. Failed to deliver with a monster team like that, or was just one of the 4 and Shaq was the ringleader, which means he rode those first 3 of his.
    To each his own....you just proved that you are biased. Give credit to Shaq for winning and blame Kobe for losing right?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Did the word similar lose meaning in the English dictionary in the last few minutes?
    Either you are a "MVP" or you are not. You're not very good at being decisive.

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    Give him a team with a relevant star or two.... Er, Cleveland couldn't do that.
    erikuff, please send me your address. I shall send you a "welcome gift basket" for joining our fanbase.

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    Believe. TheGreatest23's Avatar
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    Did the word similar lose meaning in the English dictionary in the last few minutes?
    Either you are a "MVP" or you are not. You're not very good at being decisive.
    tomatoes, potatoes.....same thing.

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    To each his own....you just proved that you are biased. Give credit to Shaq for winning and blame Kobe for losing right?
    Says the guy who doesn't consider age when looking at a team.
    However you wanna put it.
    - kobe won 3 les as the man, and just failed on one attempt with the best team he's had.
    or
    - kobe was second fiddle for his first 3, and didn't lead the losing allstar team

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Says the guy who doesn't consider age when looking at a team.
    However you wanna put it.
    - kobe won 3 les as the man, and just failed on one attempt with the best team he's had.
    or
    - kobe was second fiddle for his first 3, and didn't lead the losing allstar team
    or Kobe was second fiddle for 3 les...failed in one with the best team he's ever had, then won two more les with a lesser cast then his 3 first ones.

    Im not biased like you...i aint cutting out FACTS to help support my case.

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    Take erikuff out of the SA Heat fan base. He making us look bad with his whacked arguements.

    Not even sure if he is trolling or not. LMAO!

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    Three, he's not the GM.
    Actually he was, he could approve/disapprove any trade involving Cleveland.

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    Take erikuff out of the SA Heat fan base. He making us look bad with his whacked arguements.

    Not even sure if he is trolling or not. LMAO!
    I thought all you SA Heat people were trolls.

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    To each his own....you just proved that you are biased. Give credit to Shaq for winning and blame Kobe for losing right?
    I remember it wasn't just fans saying that 04 was Kobe's year to start taking over the team. They spoke of it on TV during the finals that year.

  25. #75
    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    I remember it wasn't just fans saying that 04 was Kobe's year to start taking over the team. They spoke of it on TV during the finals that year.
    yah...must be easy to take over a team with veteran leaders like Shaq, Gary Payton and Karl Malone.

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