No more Tony Parker hate threads?

[smeagol]

damn.....


awaits the country of argentina to declare war on the Ellis household.

Posts such as this one are the reason some people in here treat you as an idiot.

I agree with the poster who said your takes on the Spurs TV show are way better than the crap you regularly post here.

timvp is right. Manu "choked" by missing 4 FTs. He looked tired. All the FTs he missed, plus a couple that went in, hit the front part of the rim. It looked like he had lost his strength.

BY the way, its clear that there is nothing TP can do that will make brewski give him a unconditional props. So why do people bother arguing with him?

[samikeyp]

but to me true fans always root for their team, win or lose.

that was my point. I am not saying I believe that the Spurs will go 82-0 then 16-0 in the playoffs every year but I believe that the Spurs have an excellent shot to win the le. Whether they are in the lottery or the NBA finals, my loyalty never wanes. Are they going to win every game the rest of the way? My guess is no, but I do believe that they will have a chance to win every game they play in. If believing that the Spurs have a good chance to win the le makes me a cult member...that's your opinion, its wrong but you are en led.

[T Park]

Posts such as this one are the reason some people in here treat you as an idiot.

I agree with the poster who said your takes on the Spurs TV show are way better than the crap you regularly post here.

lol i couldnt give two rat s what you think.


I had the same takes on that show, that I have in here, you just dont choose to see that.

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that was my point. I am not saying I believe that the Spurs will go 82-0 then 16-0 in the playoffs every year but I believe that the Spurs have an excellent shot to win the le. Whether they are in the lottery or the NBA finals, my loyalty never wanes. Are they going to win every game the rest of the way? My guess is no, but I do believe that they will have a chance to win every game they play in. If believing that the Spurs have a good chance to win the le makes me a cult member...that's your opinion, its wrong but you are en led.

Loyalty, optimism and belief to me are different things, but I don't want to split hairs, because I understand what you are saying. You and I are very alike in our loyalty to the team, and it's just some small amount of semantics that separates us. Personally, it annoys me that if someone points out that so and so is having a rotten game, someone comes back and says "believe" like it means something without otherwise adding anything to the conversation, which is why I said what I said. It wasn't intended as a swipe to anyone that doesn't do that.

[stéphane]

I had the same takes on that show, that I have in here, you just dont choose to see that.

Actually there is a difference.
The vocabulary you use is quite different. When your takes are more formal they have a quite different impact. When you write on the board, "sometimes" you cuss and bash posters and that makes your takes less interesting. That's sometimes a shame cause you were really good at the round table.

[samikeyp]

I think Timvp's point with Believe is to have faith in the ability of the team to obtain the ultimate goal. Just a theory.

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I think Timvp's point with Believe is to have faith in the ability of the team to obtain the ultimate goal. Just a theory.

I can see that, but that only works when your team happens to be the best team in the league, as ours happens to be. I believe in their ability, but as proven last year, they have to do more than just show up, so I say "They need to do more than just show up". It doesn't mean I want them to lose.

I believe that if they play to their potential they won't lose, but I did last year as well, and other years that I think they "should" have won. They didn't play to their potential and they lost, but I still rooted for them.

There are years that the Spurs wern't the best team, unlike this year, and I still rooted for them.

There are years that I believed that the Spurs were not good enough to win because they were not the best team, but I still rooted for them.

There are years that I knew absolutely that they had no chance whatsoever, but I still rooted for them.

That's why I have sort of a problem with believe, because it implies that if you don't believe that the team can win, then you aren't a good fan, while I think a good fan roots for a team that has no chance to win, even if he knows that, because they are his team. Saying "man, our team sucks, but they're still our team." isn't a sin in my opinion.

I've stepped on WAY too many toes with this, and that was not my intent. So please consider this a blanket apology to those I offended, because I don't want to keep having this conversation.

For future reference, If I post up and say "Man, Bruce Bowen sucked tonight. He needs to shoot when he's open" and someone replies with a one-word post in bold text I'm going to roll my eyes, but I'll keep it to myself.

[samikeyp]

That's why I have sort of a problem with believe, because it implies that if you don't believe that the team can win, then you aren't a good fan,

I disagree....I think it implies what I said earlier about having faith in the team. Guess its a matter of interpretation.

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I disagree....I think it implies what I said earlier about having faith in the team. Guess its a matter of interpretation.

I guess so. My apology still applies. If we were talking in person I think we'd probably decide that we are more similar than different. It's funny how we on this board manage to disagree on such small things, considering we are all here because we are so similar in the first place.