North Korea just s ed them some South Korea

[Soul_Patch]

Really you should have pulled out the you look like a monkey smack, too. People like you get so bent out of shape when I know something and you're wrong about it. I'm sure that part of that is in my delivery because I am quite an asshole but I'd go ahead and assume that most of it is just how raw it burns you that you're wrong and I'm right. Every time someone goes to the "know it all" card on me God gives an angel its wings.

You really think a lot of yourself. At least you got that going for you.

Edit: And for the record, i never said i was right, i said i think it is time someone removed mr. long dong il from power, and this was as close to an open invitation as one can get. I honestly dont think either one of us is right, right now...its a very sticky situation, which is why it has been going on for 50 years....

It is not my fault that you get so butt hurt and confrontational about every single thing you have a POV on and decided to act the fool before you opened your mouth. Every post i see from you over the years is pushing your POV while trying to belittle everyone elses, its pretty silly, considering your age and education...but whatever, its the internet right?

[The Reckoning]

honestly, in a situation like this (threat of total annihilation), the best thing to do is remain pacifists and try to not give the North Koreans a reason to be aggressive. sure the leaders are insane as , but in the end, especially in the time of government change, its about winning the hearts of the people. retaliating against them with force only gives the North Koreans more of an incentive to side with their leaders.

all of Korea is highly nationalistic. if the South Koreans treat the North Koreans like family, neither side will want to fight each other.

[MannyIsGod]

When I know I'm right I don't shy away from it. I also don't shy away from asking questions when I don't know something. Jekka can confirm that as I am constantly asking her questions many people would consider obvious or simple but I have little to no knowledge on. In all honesty I do believe I know more than most people on a wide area of knowledge but I never feel I know it all. I do have a very very curious nature which drives me looking for knowledge on a lot of different and varying subjects constantly.

[rascal]

Manny, you are correct... North Korea could decimate Seoul with conventional weapons in a matter of hours.... which is why I am sure EVERY contingency plan of the Korean military and of the United States accounts for this. You are sorely mistaken if you think that the geographical location of Seoul will prevent South Korea and it's allies from exploring every option on the table, including full military retaliation.

You are ignorant to think that Seoul is held at the whim of North Korea. A few well placed tactical nuclear weapons and North Korea becomes Seoul's little red headed . And yes.... if Seoul is being decimated, don't think for one second that the U.S. will not deploy tactical nukes.... and they will do so in spite of China or Russia and with the full backing of the UN and NATO.

Don't be so sure the US will nuke NK and not care about China and Russia.

[MannyIsGod]

Don't be so sure the US will nuke NK and not care about China and Russia.

Or Japan. We have extremely important bases in Japan that would be needed for any action in Korea and I guarantee you that the moment a nuclear weapon went off in Korea they'd cut us off from those bases. For obvious reasons, there is no single nation on this planet with a greater hatred of nuclear weapons.

[Soul_Patch]

... In all honesty I do believe I know more than most people on a wide area of knowledge but I never feel I know it all.

Manny, i don't doubt your a pretty smart guy, But c'mon man, really?

Is this a bit or something? Am i being trolled?

[Soul_Patch]

Let's equate (for argument sake) the USA to S Korea and Canada to N Korea. Let's assume all things are equal, as in the USA is in the same predicament as S Korea and vice versa.


Lets say you are living in Niagra Falls NY, and one day the crazy country to your north s s the out of Niagra falls, kills a few random people, destroys a lot of , etc...

How do you expect the US to react? How do you expect the world to react?


You spoke earlier of asking questions because you are curious...i am asking this because i am curious to see what you (manny) think about this scenario, as well as others.

[The Reckoning]

dont with China or their interests. the UN learned that the hard way after crossing into Chinese territory during the Korean War. if they wouldnt have done that, this wouldnt be an issue today.

[Soul_Patch]

dont with China or their interests. the UN learned that the hard way after crossing into Chinese territory during the Korean War. if they wouldnt have done that, this wouldnt be an issue today.

We also owe China a metric ton of money. I really doubt China wants to get involved with ing up their biggest debtor.

[Slomo]

We also owe China a metric ton of money. I really doubt China wants to get involved with ing up their biggest debtor.

You got it backwards.

[mouse]

I'll come to Soul_Patch's defense here. He's pretty much spot on.

[MannyIsGod]

You really think a lot of yourself. At least you got that going for you.

Edit: And for the record, i never said i was right, i said i think it is time someone removed mr. long dong il from power, and this was as close to an open invitation as one can get. I honestly dont think either one of us is right, right now...its a very sticky situation, which is why it has been going on for 50 years....

It is not my fault that you get so butt hurt and confrontational about every single thing you have a POV on and decided to act the fool before you opened your mouth. Every post i see from you over the years is pushing your POV while trying to belittle everyone elses, its pretty silly, considering your age and education...but whatever, its the internet right?

You shouldn't try to rewrite history on a message board. I was butt hurt? LOL!

I said you showed no knowledge of how things work there. How is that butt hurt? The only other thing I said that was remotely confrontational was asking you if you had looked at a map.

YOU then took it personal as as went to the know it all card. Trying to turn this around on me is hilarious as .

I won't deny that I belittled the point of view that asks for a full scale war on the Korean peninsula. That point of view is nothing short of moronic.

[The Reckoning]

honestly, i think China's a little more concerned with the sovereignty of Asia than economics.

theyve also created an alternative market cycling US bonds, so all money being paid isn't straight to China...but that's a different topic.

[Soul_Patch]

You shouldn't try to rewrite history on a message board. I was butt hurt? LOL!

I said you showed no knowledge of how things work there. How is that butt hurt? The only other thing I said that was remotely confrontational was asking you if you had looked at a map.

YOU then took it personal as as went to the know it all card. Trying to turn this around on me is hilarious as .

I won't deny that I belittled the point of view that asks for a full scale war on the Korean peninsula. That point of view is nothing short of moronic.

Right, you werent condescending or personal at all...whatever bro, its all good. Get over it.

[Soul_Patch]

You got it backwards.

How so? China owes the US money? im not sure that has ever been the case, definitely not now.

[Soul_Patch]

how did manny do in the most pretentious spurstalk poster poll tournament i forget

He knows more than most people about all things...how is that pretentious??

[MannyIsGod]

Let's equate (for argument sake) the USA to S Korea and Canada to N Korea. Let's assume all things are equal, as in the USA is in the same predicament as S Korea and vice versa.


Lets say you are living in Niagra Falls NY, and one day the crazy country to your north s s the out of Niagra falls, kills a few random people, destroys a lot of , etc...

How do you expect the US to react? How do you expect the world to react?


You spoke earlier of asking questions because you are curious...i am asking this because i am curious to see what you (manny) think about this scenario, as well as others.

So you want to make up a completely made up scenario to parallel the current situation instead of just talking about the current situation? Why not just talk about the situation that is in place and the parameters surrounding it? Because it doesn't induce the same type of emotional response that an attack on our country would?

Simply put you can't draw up a scenario here because it requires almost everything to be different. The dynamic in place is unique and there is nothing else like it around the world. Canada and America aren't confined to the same land space, they don't share a common heritage, and the majority of the United State's population isn't under threat from Canada.

In any tense situation where nations are on the brink of war you have to take into account so many factors. You could come up with a situation that has the same factors or you could simply talk about the factors in place in Korea instead.

You have to consider the following for starters

- Civilian Casualties
- End Game
- Economic and Industrial costs
- International Reaction

In other words, you basically have to decide what the benefits and the detractions are to whatever you decide. This isn't as simple as if a guy spits in your girls face at a bar. You don't just kick a guys ass and wipe your hands of the situation.

Any war in Korea is going to wreck extreme devastation and leave millions dead. You're going to have millions of refugees pouring into China from the North and you're going to have to deal with how China feels and how Russia and Japan feel to lesser extents. Its going to drive up the cost of oil dramatically which is going to cost the entire world.

[MannyIsGod]

how did manny do in the most pretentious spurstalk poster poll tournament i forget

I hope I won.

[MannyIsGod]

He knows more than most people about all things...how is that pretentious??

You should reread what you quoted. It might save me from having to be condescending and having you get butt hurt again.

[MannyIsGod]

Right, you werent condescending or personal at all...whatever bro, its all good. Get over it.

Who needs to get over it?

Manny was condescending at me.

You want an apology man?

I'm sorry.

Better?

[Slomo]

How so? China owes the US money? im not sure that has ever been the case, definitely not now.

The debtor is the one with the problem and not the other way around.

What do you think would happen if the US refused to repay its debt?

How successful has the US (or the world for that matter) been in any of its negotiations with China? How about the discussion on the undervalued Yen? It's unfair and it's hurting everybody, yet I don't see much repercussions for the Chinese...

[mouse]

Slomo and Manny seem to be tough on China but the truth is both of them have been seen at Wall-mart several times.

[Sarah Palin]

Just remember this in two years Manny.......who would you want answering that red phone in the middle of the night?.....You betcha!!!

[scott]

Just send in the Portugese National Futbol Team. NK will surrender in less than 90 minutes.

[Sisk]

They goddamned well better.

U.S. troops are spread too thin and have too little equipment as it is.

That doesn't matter. We wouldn't sit there and let the South Koreans die. No way.