This guy? I wonder if Sean Penn will play him in the movie version?
Regardless of whether or not the government is "only" charging the PFC who downloaded all this stuff with "misusing information", I honestly consider this treasonous on his part. I don't feel a need to kill they guy, but I sure do feel that he ought to be tried for treason.
Mrs. Clinton is, in my opinion, one of the best Secretary of State's that the US has had in modern history for a number of reasons.
I am not a fan of hers either, but watched a fascinating "under the hood" do entary by National Geographic of the State Department.
The people that work for State were invariably intelligent, well spoken, and diplomatic
It reinforced my inclination to apply there at some point.
One of the results of this disclosure that concerns me is the retrenchment of agencies within the government who had been required to share information with each other after the 9/11 fiasco. Now they will say "we didn't share that the pentagon can't keep our stuff safe".
And that DOES make it harder to keep America safe, IMHO.
My guess is that none of us are crazy about Hilary Clinton, personally. But she is an intelligent woman in a demanding job, and she at least appears to be handling it as well as any in the last few years.
RG sure likes himself some RG.
Eyup.
She has the force of personality and stubbornness to be married to Bill Clinton, heh.
Couple this with a certain "star power" that they use to good effect, and it adds up.
The film cited a poll shortly before Clinton’s trip that found 9 of 10 Pakistanis had an unfavorable view of the United States. Several months later, that figure was 8 of 10 – an “inch” in the movement of public opinion in favor of the United States that Clinton said she would seek to build on.
Damn, Darrin, we ought to hope that people like RG are willing to consider working for the government.
RG sure likes himself some RG.
I always want bright, energetic, intelligent people working for the government. Why wouldn't you, Darrin?
Sure. No justification is needed. I just wondered what Mr. Assange's "principles" are. Because you can isn't a principle.
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I couldn't care less about folks getting embarassed. That is not the issue, imo, and suggesting that embarrassment is the only problem here trivializes it beyond what is reasonable.
I honestly think this is really bad.
I have always valued public service. It was one of the motivations that led me to enlist in the Army.
RG sure likes himself some RG.
The staff at State all seemed to share that value, unsurprisingly.
While I am sure you, like most cynics, scoff at this rather idealistic value, it exists nonetheless.
It has less to do with what I think of myself, and more to do with what I think of America.
and thank you.
"all information should be free" I guess.
Not something I would entirely agree with, although I am fairly syphathetic to almost all transparency issues. I certainly would not like discussions with my doctor to be in the public realm.
Similarly, I do not think that betraying what leaders of other countries tell us in confidence is a good thing.
Yes.
He should be tried for treason. Absolutely. No if, ands, or buts.
I would say it also shows a serious lack of information control on the governments part. This was DoD, State department, etc. information. Not just information he was supposes to be able to access.
Just my opinion, but I'll bet that if president Clinton didn't slashed the military so much, this would have never occurred.
@LnGrrrR: Did you think think the juice was worth the squeeze?
What did the US public discover that was worth the possible damage the leaks have done to our foreign policy?
yeah, right. this soldier leaked because of clinton.
Yes, thank-you.
I too have an idealistic view of America, and in my view, liberals are destroying what it means to be American. Sorry for taking this off on a tangent, but one who has followed my posting know I hate the real hard left liberals. I wish we could deport them to a nation that would make them realize what America really is.
Yep. I favor transparency too, but the value I put on it is not unlimited.
I don't think DarrinS necessarily meant anything negative with his comment, it was kinda humorous. Good luck if you choose to apply!
I usually don't have problems with the Wikileaks, but this one that exposes the pussy nature of various diplomats and governments around the world disturbs me. I prefer to think of the world's policy makers as strong, steadfast individuals working toward the best solutions possible - not a bunch of scaredy-cats crying and criticizing .
I fear the day when people look at their leaders and realize they have no spines. Oh noes!!!
Sadly, I think it is becoming one.
No you're not. You bring that tangent into almost every thread you enter.
you're right. the only thread i can remember where he didn't is his stalking thread.
Damn good point.
How can you possible manage a profitable business when you make such stupid correlations?
My implied dislike was that he hurt the military position by removing military personal from key positions that understood the real needs. I have stated in the past the president Bush already did a slow 5 year reduction of forces.This was actual combat units and fixed station maintenance support. I know this as fact, because of how it affected me. I was essentially laid-off from the military soon after the cold war ended. I could have stayed in, but there were no job fields available that I desired. Since they did away with my MOS, I received a separation pay in excess of $28k in 1992. I saw the complete 5 year plans then. What president Clinton did, was cut farther. He wanted to say he cut the military too, when it was already cut as far as practical. He cut supply people, mess hall people, etc, hat were still needed in case of combat. This was a political show, not real savings, since all these jobs were replace by civilian contract employees. Namely Halliburton. When you liberals want to cry Halliburton, KBR, etc. Think Clinton. They were given contract jobs that had no right to be civilian contract in combat situations.
President Clinton...
Go yourself!
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