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    See, here's what I don't get (and I'm not arguing with the merits of this decision):

    If the same judge had reached the same ruling on some issue that was near and dear to the hearts of conservatives -- say a Legislative enactment that prohibited same-sex marriage -- he'd be immediately labeled an "activist" who was legislating from the bench.

    Somehow, I'm doubting that Judge Hudson is going to attract that label here.

    (by the way, in a bit of judicial trivia, Judge Hudson is also the judge who sentenced Michael Vick a few years ago).
    I don't get why you don't "get it". Hypocrisy is part of our human nature. It shouldn't suprise you that conservatives, liberals, and everyone in between are hypocrites. I don't even view hypocrisy as a negative, just something to be expected when dealing with any human being.

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    Auto Ins is mandated to drive, which is a privilege.
    Why is it so readily accepted by pretty much all political points of view that traveling freely in a free country is a privilege and not a right?

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    translation: this issue is way above my head so i will find someone else's thoughts and use them to call someone else stupid..
    That's it. These are not thoughts, stupid. It's reality. Auto insurance and Obamacare are not even close to the same. Next you will be spewing even if you don't drive or own a car you should pay for auto insurance. It's the right thing to do! Then you will be spewing "I deserve to live in a house instead of an apartment" or "Why can't I have have tickets to the Spews game, I am a fan too"

    You want better doctors, freaking pay for them. Quit asking everyone else to pay. Until then, stand in line at the local free clinic and if you have an emergency run your little ass to the hospital or better yet get a ing job that can pay for the life style you want to have.

    You are a idiot. Plain and simple.

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    That's it. These are not thoughts, stupid. It's reality. Auto insurance and Obamacare are not even close to the same. Next you will be spewing even if you don't drive or own a car you should pay for auto insurance. It's the right thing to do! Then you will be spewing "I deserve to live in a house instead of an apartment" or "Why can't I have have tickets to the Spews game, I am a fan too"

    You want better doctors, freaking pay for them. Quit asking everyone else to pay. Until then, stand in line at the local free clinic and if you have an emergency run your little ass to the hospital or better yet get a ing job that can pay for the life style you want to have.

    You are a idiot. Plain and simple.
    Except for all the name calling, this is a great post.

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    Why is it so readily accepted by pretty much all political points of view that traveling freely in a free country is a privilege and not a right?
    Especially since most people's livelihoods depend on it. Far less significant things have been given 'right' status. I would argue being able to travel by car is at least as important as having a refrigerator, which in some places, it is mandated that enough electricity must be available in a home to power one...

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    That's it. These are not thoughts, stupid. It's reality. Auto insurance and Obamacare are not even close to the same. Next you will be spewing even if you don't drive or own a car you should pay for auto insurance. It's the right thing to do! Then you will be spewing "I deserve to live in a house instead of an apartment" or "Why can't I have have tickets to the Spews game, I am a fan too"

    You want better doctors, freaking pay for them. Quit asking everyone else to pay. Until then, stand in line at the local free clinic and if you have an emergency run your little ass to the hospital or better yet get a ing job that can pay for the life style you want to have.

    You are a idiot. Plain and simple.
    Name calling aside, My concern is less with the 'others should pay' problem than the 'get what you already paid for' problem.
    The fact that you could have been kicked off a plan for a pre-existing condition that is only deemed pre-existing based on arbitrary indicators at the whim of whatever insurance provider that is covering you is laughable. Any system where you don't get what you paid for is a broken system. At the very least, people denied coverage for preexisting conditions should have been given their money back with interest for a retroactively worthless policy.

    I am not sure Obamacare is the solution, but it was something, much like no child left behind was at least an attempt at solving a perceived/real problem.

    I want simple reforms. I want all doctors to list their prices/rates. I want insurance companies to be absolutely transparent in their costs/procedures. Same goes for doctors and pharmacies.

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    Sounds like that's where Barry should have started from.

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    Why is it so readily accepted by pretty much all political points of view that traveling freely in a free country is a privilege and not a right?
    Just educate yourself instead of repeating uninformed banter:
    Freedom of movement under United States law

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    Except for all the name calling, this is a great post.
    Actually it's a terrible post.

    We're already paying for all the stuff he's ing about through our taxes.
    All these guys with pre-existing conditions or borderline heart-attack lifestyles? We're paying through the nose for it. All those people that get their insurance claims invalidated? We pay for those too in the long run.

    Not only that. Because all these hospitals have to turn in an actual profit due to their duty to their shareholders, we're all paying for the care + the profit margin. That's how you end up with inflated prices and cost of care that's through the roof.

    The goal should be to have as healthy a society as possible, since that obviously benefits the country as a whole. There's many ways to get there, but the system we had was not it, and this law that was passed is not it either.

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    So uninsured people, who can't pay or won't pay for insurance, really will be able to get free medical care from tax-payer financed sick-care services.
    it is not a right to have insurance

    if you have no money and you need help
    then you die it is ok
    sounds harsh but reality is reality

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    Actually it's a terrible post.

    We're already paying for all the stuff he's ing about through our taxes.
    All these guys with pre-existing conditions or borderline heart-attack lifestyles? We're paying through the nose for it. All those people that get their insurance claims invalidated? We pay for those too in the long run.

    Not only that. Because all these hospitals have to turn in an actual profit due to their duty to their shareholders, we're all paying for the care + the profit margin. That's how you end up with inflated prices and cost of care that's through the roof.

    The goal should be to have as healthy a society as possible, since that obviously benefits the country as a whole. There's many ways to get there, but the system we had was not it, and this law that was passed is not it either.
    Again, I could not get past your first lines. Utter bull . There is a reason only 20 percent of the population in USA are liberals, they are full of .

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    Again, I could not get past your first lines.
    The fact that you can't even parse through a dissenting view really says a lot more about you, and your anger, than anything I wrote in my reply to SnC...

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    Cows (and most animals) are so ing stupid that they will eat almost any you feed them, esp if one engineers the taste with god-knows-what chemicals, grease, sweetner. That's why industrial meat is such crap and pathogenic.

    American food corps realized long ago that ...

    Americans are so ing stupid that they will eat almost any you feed them, esp if you engineer the taste with god-knows-what.

    Put some bacon (flavor) or bacon-like material and cheese/butter (flavor) or cheese-like material on a turd, and Americans will suck it down.

    Saw an ad last night, typical. Beautiful light-skinned AA in kitchen of multi-$100K house and painfully cute light-skinned AA son, frowning so-cutely at his Pop-tart-looking piece of that his breakfast. Yo Mama has the solution! She cuts open a packet and squiggles perfectly some white tooth-paste on the Pop-tart. Kid smiles cutely and chomps away.

    Corps have realized that the AA demographic has enough money to justify aiming their ads at them.

    And maybe the dark, poor, urban AAs will think if they eat that dead food-like substances, they become middle-class, light-skinned, and telegenic. Poor, uneducated sheeple vs highly sophisticated, wealthy corps? Who wins every time?

    the "bottom line" (this is America, the Bottom Line is Top Priority), American obesity and obesity-caused diseases are big business. Corps get wealthy selling industrially processed food-like substances highly engineering as mouth candy, but it's pathogenic crap. The they sell cost more to package, market, and deliver than the (taxpayer subsidized) contents.

    Consumers self-inflict themselves with excess weight and obesity and then the sick-care business takes over and gets wealthy. About $200B / year spent on obesity and obesity-caused diseased, more than Iraq and Afganistan wars combined.

    The corps have created a totally toxic, ersatz civilization in America-as-ATM, and are exporting it world-wide. The food, like the "news", is totally fake, a compete lie.

    And it will continue to get worse and worse. There's no stopping America's terminal decline.

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    what so funny is the GOP wanted the "mandate" in the bill so their health insurance buddies wouldn't lose customers.

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    That's it. These are not thoughts, stupid. It's reality. Auto insurance and Obamacare are not even close to the same. Next you will be spewing even if you don't drive or own a car you should pay for auto insurance. It's the right thing to do! Then you will be spewing "I deserve to live in a house instead of an apartment" or "Why can't I have have tickets to the Spews game, I am a fan too"

    You want better doctors, freaking pay for them. Quit asking everyone else to pay. Until then, stand in line at the local free clinic and if you have an emergency run your little ass to the hospital or better yet get a ing job that can pay for the life style you want to have.

    You are a idiot. Plain and simple.
    Wow so much fail in your post. I'll just say that I am pretty sure I've got more going on than you do do jackie

    ...you're like my 8 yr old's friends...... only dumber..

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    Actually it's a terrible post.

    We're already paying for all the stuff he's ing about through our taxes.
    All these guys with pre-existing conditions or borderline heart-attack lifestyles? We're paying through the nose for it. All those people that get their insurance claims invalidated? We pay for those too in the long run.

    Not only that. Because all these hospitals have to turn in an actual profit due to their duty to their shareholders, we're all paying for the care + the profit margin. That's how you end up with inflated prices and cost of care that's through the roof.

    The goal should be to have as healthy a society as possible, since that obviously benefits the country as a whole. There's many ways to get there, but the system we had was not it, and this law that was passed is not it either.
    jack is too stupid to realize we already pay for all off the stuff he rambled on about... jack's about personal insults and resorting to calling people gay and d*ck suckers.. he's like the guy who always misses the ball yet b*tches about some else who can't catch the ball.. he's not very bright

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    Again, I could not get past your first lines. Utter bull . There is a reason only 20 percent of the population in USA are liberals, they are full of .
    translation: I am so stupid because what I am rambling about has been in place the last 50 yrs....

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    Are Peolpe Really This Obtuse?
    obviously a well thought out and finely edited piece.

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    If you get sick no third parties get hurt or suffer loss of property.
    what are your thoughts on government intervention if society at large becomes suddenly susceptible to some type of deadly viral epidemic?

    is it better to provide the prevention to all citizens or to wait to treat it when it actually poses a threat?

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    I think the difference being that there is no federaly mandated requirement for automobile insurance. That is something the states do but the federal government does not.

    I haven't read the ruling but that was the obvious difference in the mandates when the bill passage was going being debated.
    My read is that the government cannot impose commerce on those who wish not to, hence the commerce clause does not apply. Not participating is a penalty, therefor cannot be protected under taxation. Driving is a privilege, and to require insurance would mean living is a privilege.

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    Again, I could not get past your first lines. Utter bull . There is a reason only 20 percent of the population in USA are liberals, they are full of .
    LOL...

    Isn't that the truth.

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    LOL...

    Isn't that the truth.
    Meanwhile the dems still hold 2/3 of legislaitve branches..

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    Meanwhile the dems still hold 2/3 of legislaitve branches..
    That's not funny - it's pathetic that there are so many idiots out there who are able to vote.

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    what's criminal is that the Repugs lose the WH by 600K votes in 2000 and come in like they have a overwhelmingly popular mandate to screw everybody and everything.

    Repugs in 2010 think winning the House means their non0-existent platform is overwhelmingly mandated.

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    That's not funny - it's pathetic that there are so many idiots out there who are able to vote.
    We know the tea pottiers are still afraid of the obama death panels..

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