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  1. #51
    Veteran j.dizzle's Avatar
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    LOL Sarver.

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    The thing with Orlando imo is that they were very fortunate to have made the 2009 NBA finals. Boston didn't have Kevin Garnett and they played a great 7 game series against the Cavaliers to advance and eventually lost to the Lakers. Assuming these deals happen, They kind of have to make some move to compete with Miami and Boston, I think it makes them better but the question is how much better?

    Phoenix should just trade Steve Nash if they do this deal, let Dragic be the PG. I don't think they will though, he is like the Tim Duncan/Kobe Bryant of that Suns franchise and he sells tickets. He has never won them a ring though so I guess it's up to the Suns franchise and Nash.

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    wow that's crazy i did nearly the same exact trade on nba 2k11 association mode. except i traded rashard lewis and jj re for jason richardson and hedo turkoglu.

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    Pietrus will be traded by the deadline, I imagine, to a contending team for expiring filler and a 1st. Dallas with Stephenson seems like a potential option. Pietrus has a reasonable contract with this year and next at 5.3 million, and next is a player option.

    I can see him, Hill and Nash all traded by the deadline for expiring contracts and 1sts/2nds.

  5. #55
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    Time to blow it up!

  6. #56
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    Just saw this..Breaking news: Suns add Vince Carter. Now favorites to win 2001 NBA le.

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    if im orlando, i try my best to get nash. nash plus howard sorrunded by good three point shooters will be a great success.

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    Ok how can the spurs get in on the firesale?

    Our needs include a defensive big man prescence to be next to timmah.

    Second we need a defensive player to shut down the opponents best offensive player.
    Antonio mcdyess/George Hill

    for

    Marcin Gortat/Jared Dudley

    Marcin is good, but they do have robin lopez. Plus Mcdyess would kill even more money off their books.

  9. #59
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    The Suns are insane if they don't start Gortat.

    Statistically inclined folks have been arguing for two years that if Gortat could get on another team where he didn't have Howard in front of him, he could be a top-15 bigman. Gortat is the key to this trade for the Suns, Carter is just a more expensive and crazier version of JRich, no real statistical change there.

    6 months ago, it was...

    Nash
    JRich
    Hill
    Amare
    Lopez
    Bench: Dragic, Barbosa, Dudley, Amundson, Frye

    Now it's...

    Nash
    Carter
    Hill
    Frye
    Lopez
    Bench: Dragic, Childress, Pietrus, Dudley, Gortat, Warrick

    Oy.

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    Stastically Marcin Gortat is so much better than Robin Lopez, it's like they don't even play the same sport.

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    6 months ago, it was...

    Nash
    JRich
    Hill
    Amare
    Lopez
    Bench: Dragic, Barbosa, Dudley, Amundson, Frye

    Now it's...

    Nash
    Carter
    Hill
    Frye
    Lopez
    Bench: Dragic, Childress, Pietrus, Dudley, Gortat, Warrick

    Oy.
    Yuck. I have no idea why any team would trade for Carter.

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    Wow.. Kinda feel sorry Grant Hill.... kinda wish he went to a contender..He's a class act and deserves better

    anyways... Lakers pretty much wrapped up the Pacific Division for the next 10 years!

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    Jesus ing Christ.
    X.....I feel for you man, I really do.

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    They didn't trade for Carter, they accepted Carter so they could get Gortat. Just watch. Unless they keep giving big minutes to Lopez, this will be a good trade on net for PHO.

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    Antonio mcdyess/George Hill

    for

    Marcin Gortat/Jared Dudley

    Marcin is good, but they do have robin lopez. Plus Mcdyess would kill even more money off their books.
    No.

  16. #66
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    By far, the dumbest move that the Suns could make. It's all good that they traded Hedo since he's struggling in Phx, but did they have to trade their best player too?

    Even if it was for expiring contracts, Vince only makes 3 mil more than J-Rich and his contract is also expiring.

    Orlando got better, but I don't see how gilbert areans would help this team even more. They just need a legit PF that can help on D with Howard.

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    Wow.. Kinda feel sorry Grant Hill.... kinda wish he went to a contender..He's a class act and deserves better
    I feel worse for Nash because he doesn't deserve the that his owner is putting him up to.

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    Done deal: Magic sends Vince Carter and others to Phoenix for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu
    Matt Moore

    Otis Smith just swung for the fences. We’ll see if he connects.

    The Orlando Magic have traded Vince Carter, Mikael Pietrus, and Marcin Gortat to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Earl Clark. The Magic have also traded Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas.

    ESPN, CBSSports.com, and Yahoo! Sports have all confirmed the deal.

    Here’s how it breaks down:

    Orlando:
    Orlando wants to win now. Not for the next few years, not down the line, growing together like a bunch of young saplings. Now. Otis Smith has acquired a dynamic scorer and playmaker in Gilbert Arenas who is not shooting well this year (39%) but has a chance to get some space now that he’s in Orlando. They acquired a power driving dunk artist with prolific three-point range in Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu who is now old and not nearly the player he was two years ago, a first-round draft pick and Earl Clark, who will never see the floor, ever.

    Gilbert Arenas has shown flashes of his scoring ability that made him so prolific four seasons ago. He managed to work reasonably well off-ball in Washington, and in Orlando will be granted license to run the offense. Jameer Nelson can work off-ball in conjunction with Arenas. How he’ll work with Dwight Howard will be a significant issue to keep an eye on. Arenas has never worked with a player like Howard before, and he’ll have to maintain the “it’s his team” at ude he had with Wall.

    Richardson is the big win in this trade for Orlando. He’s averaging 19 points on 42% three-point shooting and he’ll get just as many open looks in Orlando. The question will be if he can play the kind of defense Stan Van Gundy will need him to and how he’ll fit in with the rotation. But Richardson is a clutch performer who has a history with Arenas in Golden State and should be thrilled to be going to a contender again.

    Hedo Turkoglu is a no-lose option for the Magic. If he’s terrible, the team is deep enough not to worry about it. If he’s able to recapture anything close to what they had two years ago, they’ve got another great player to go to. His contract is long. So was Rashard Lewis’. And as we’ve seen today, no contract is unmovable.

    Phoenix:
    The future is later. Despite Steve Nash still being Steve Nash, the Suns have moved towards the future. Vince Carter is an expiring contract, they acquired a first round pick to build with, and ditched Hedo Turkoglu’s contract. They’re obviously moving towards the future. You have to wonder if this is a capitulation by Robert Sarver to move towards saving money. Vince Carter may experience a resurgence in Phoenix as so many players have with their training staff. But in the end, he’s just not a very good player anymore and not a player you can depend on in key situations. Losing Turkoglu at least clears up their frontcourt rotation and will allow Hakim Warrick more minutes. Phoenix looks towards the future.

    Washington:
    The Arenas-Butler-Jamison era is finally washed away completely. Agent Zero is over. Rashard Lewis is a marginal player at this point with a massive contract, but now the team is John Wall‘s, 100%. The Gilbert Arenas era is through. They’re a bad team and they just got worse. But they do save a slight bit of money and can try and take a new approach in order to move towards the Wall-led future. It was over before it started for the Arenas Show in Washington. You’ve got to move forward eventually. They chose now.
    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...hedo-turkoglu/

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    The ones who should be really upset is the Sun fans, damn sorry guys that your owner can't make good decisions. The only thing going for them is Alan Gentry's still the head coach and they got a young core that's developing. Lets just hope they don't screw that up.

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    I feel worse for Nash because he doesn't deserve the that his owner is putting him up to.
    Mitch needs to get in on this... LUKE for HILL!!!


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    The Orlando Magic have completed a pair of blockbuster trades that will send them Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu and Jason Richardson from the Phoenix Suns, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

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    Orlando should go after G-Wall, great defender who can occasionally shoot the 3. This is would make Dwight's game alot easier on D and gives the Magic another scoring option.

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    ESPN.com news services

    The Orlando Magic capped a blockbuster day of wheeling and dealing by trading one franchise cornerstone for another, sending Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas, team sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard on Saturday.
    That trade followed news of a deal that sent Vince Carter to the Phoenix Suns in a multiplayer deal that returns Hedo Turkoglu to the Magic.


    Lewis

    Arenas


    The Magic, losers of five of their last six games, also get Jason Richardson and Earl Clark from the Suns in exchange for Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, a 2011 first-round pick and cash considerations, sources said.
    The Arenas-Lewis deal doesn't include other pieces, the sources told Broussard.
    The Magic and Wizards had been discussing a deal involving Arenas off and on since last summer.
    Arenas and the Wizards have been open to parting ways since Washington landed point guard John Wall with the No. 1 pick and thereby providing a new face for the franchise.


    Pietrus

    Gortat

    Carter

    Arenas was suspended last season for the final 50 games by commissioner David Stern after a locker room incident involving gun play with former teammate Javaris Crittenton came to light last Dec. 23.
    The Magic used lucrative pieces to close both deals, including Carter's expiring contract and Lewis' deal, which has 2½ years remaining on the original $118 million, six-year deal. It lines up with Arenas' backloaded contract -- which still has about $60 million left.


    Clark

    Richardson

    Turkoglu

    Arenas was at Washington's morning shootaround but did not speak to reporters.
    Magic president Otis Smith has been a close friend and mentor to the Arenas going back to their days together at Golden State, when Smith was in the front-office and Arenas was a young player. Smith has said in the past that Arenas' troubles, which, in addition to last year's 50-game suspension, included faking an injury to sit out a preseason game this year, are not a concern.
    "The length of his contract and health probably have been more of my concerns," Smith told The Associated Press early Saturday. "With the length of his contract, you're always concerned about taking on more, of course. That's always been one of my concerns. I know a little bit more detail about Gilbert off the court and who he is as a person.
    "He's probably similar to the guys we have in the locker room right now. I would say that sometimes good people make dumb decisions, and he's one of those guys."
    Arenas, a three-time All Star, has had several knee problems that limited him to 47 games over the previous three seasons. But while playing alongside -- and often behind -- Wall this season, Arenas has showed flashes of his old self.
    He has averaged 17.3 points and 5.6 assists per game this season, including a season-high 31 points in a loss against the Magic on Nov. 27. The Magic have made strong pushes to acquire Denver's Carmelo Anthony and New Orleans' Chris Paul, but with those talks showing little progress, they might be forced to make another move.
    Orlando has lost five of its last six games, including a frustrating 1-3 West Coast trip, falling from first to fourth in the Eastern Conference. The Magic were set to host Philadelphia on Saturday night, and Washington was hosting Miami.
    "I circled the West Coast trip on our schedule a long time ago," Smith said. "The West Coast trip, to me, was going to decide whether or not we're going to either fix our woes or continue down the same path. I don't think we've played particularly well leading up to the West Coast trip. So, we were on the West Coast trip and some of our woes continued, so you start to explore opportunities that are out there."

  24. #74
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    Soooooooo Arenas will make them better?

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    I didn't know.

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