But He Doesn't Spread The Floor!

[tmtcsc]

That's right, because the Spurs are 15-0 when Bonner scores at least 6 points.

Spurs are 25-3 when ANYONE on the roster scores 6 pts.

[ChumpDumper]

Reading comprehension, 101. Already told you I'd consider the argument on some merit but you think hornets, nuggets & warriors are world beaters.. I don't. Next.

Hey, you're making up now!

Nice.

I said playoff teams, which two of the three teams happen to be.

Reading comprehension 101.

I'm not ing in this thread. I have debunked the false assertion you made to Mugen and when you realized your facts weren't jiving you made up a new argument. Which is just what I expect from you. I even debunked that argument so now you got nothing left but to fling your feces in my direction.

You are ing and making things up.

You are now reduced to lying. It happens.

More untruths. I don't recall making that hypothesis, my bigger concern is that Splitter get more minutes and rather steady minutes instead of this 20 minutes followed by two DNP's bull . I'm not even that concerned who the ing teams are I would just prefer that he can get some kind of steady minutes/gig.

How's that working out for you?

Splitter's minutes are working out fine for me, and more importantly the Spurs.

25-3 while Splitter and Dice aren't being overused. My only real concern at the moment is overusing Manu. Turns out Udoka isn't as good as you said he would be either.

On the other hand, 25-3 pisses you off because every victory is proving you wrong. I'd be pissed too if I started with such a stupid agenda in the first place and felt I had to cling to it no matter how insane it made me look. Right now you are praying for the Spurs to lose when Splitter doesn't play so you can say "I told you so."

This is what you have been reduced to.

[TJastal]

15-0 when Bonner scores 6 points. Well la-dee- ing-da.

This just underscores how useless a player he is when he's not hitting wide open triples.

[TJastal]

Hey, you're making up now!

Nice.

I said playoff teams, which two of the three teams happen to be.

Reading comprehension 101.

LOL @ u considering hornets a playoff team. I'll bet you they sink to mid-lottery level by the end of the year. Nuggets may not even clear #8. Calling them "playoff teams" is sketchy at best. But that's usually all you have supporting your paper thin arguments.

You are ing and making things up.

You are now reduced to lying. It happens.

Splitter's minutes are working out fine for me, and more importantly the Spurs.

I'm not lying, I really don't consider the hornets a playoff team this year. Sorry you do. Next.

25-3 while Splitter and Dice aren't being overused. My only real concern at the moment is overusing Manu. Turns out Udoka isn't as good as you said he would be either.

I thought you just said Splitter was playing more and more? And now your glad he's not "overused"? Are you being purposefully obtuse?

On the other hand, 25-3 pisses you off because every victory is proving you wrong. I'd be pissed too if I started with such a stupid agenda in the first place and felt I had to cling to it no matter how insane it made me look. Right now you are praying for the Spurs to lose when Splitter doesn't play so you can say "I told you so."

This is what you have been reduced to.

How did we get here from a simple argument concerning Splitter's minutes? First you changed your argument. Twice. When that didn't work you threw feces at me. Now you claim I have an agenda to make myself look good when the spurs lose. Never a dull day at spurstalk, I swear.

[MGWJ]

Splitter looks lost out there on the court. His mannerisms are akin to playing pickup basketball with someone you don't know. He doesn't seem ready to log significant minutes. The trouble with that is, he won't just suddenly acclimate to the offensive and defensive schemes via practice. Game time is the only real solution for him to learn. He does need more minutes, but progressively throughout the season. Can't really mess with a winning formula right now.

Best part about last night's game is the few minutes Duncan and Splitter logged together, they looked pretty decent.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL @ u considering hornets a playoff team. I'll bet you they sink to mid-lottery level by the end of the year. Nuggets may not even clear #8. Calling them "playoff teams" is sketchy at best. But that's usually all you have supporting your paper thin arguments.

Seeing how your predictions have gone in the past, it's probably safe to continue calling them playoff teams.

I'm not lying, I really don't consider the hornets a playoff team this year. Sorry you do. Next.

You consider Udoka a good addition to the Spurs. Sorry you do.

I thought you just said Splitter was playing more and more? And now your glad he's not "overused"? Are you being purposefully obtuse?

I said his playing time will continue to fluctuate for the reasons that have already been explained several times but you are too stupid to understand.

How did we get here from a simple argument concerning Splitter's minutes? First you changed your argument. Twice. When that didn't work you threw feces at me. Now you claim I have an agenda to make myself look good when the spurs lose. Never a dull day at spurstalk, I swear.

I said he is playing more important minutes than the garbage time you were begging for and that his minutes will continue to fluctuate and that you will about it because you have an agenda. The agenda will also make you preen about like a dandy fop when the Spurs next lose without playing Splitter.

I will be happy to be wrong about your happily posting "I told you so"s in that instance, but I don't think you will be able to help yourself. Feel free to prove me wrong when the time comes. I won't get upset about being wrong like you are now.

[DMC]

Splitter looks lost out there on the court. His mannerisms are akin to playing pickup basketball with someone you don't know. He doesn't seem ready to log significant minutes. The trouble with that is, he won't just suddenly acclimate to the offensive and defensive schemes via practice. Game time is the only real solution for him to learn. He does need more minutes, but progressively throughout the season. Can't really mess with a winning formula right now.

Best part about last night's game is the few minutes Duncan and Splitter logged together, they looked pretty decent.

How can both paragraphs be true? If Splitter looks lost out there, how can you say "they looked pretty decent".

[Cry Havoc]

Splitter looks lost out there on the court. His mannerisms are akin to playing pickup basketball with someone you don't know. He doesn't seem ready to log significant minutes. The trouble with that is, he won't just suddenly acclimate to the offensive and defensive schemes via practice. Game time is the only real solution for him to learn. He does need more minutes, but progressively throughout the season. Can't really mess with a winning formula right now.

Best part about last night's game is the few minutes Duncan and Splitter logged together, they looked pretty decent.

Here's what I don't get.

If Splitter is so lost on the court...

Why does he get SO MANY more rebounds than Bonner per minute?

Why does he get more steals per minute than Bonner?

Why does he take more charges?

Are we SO desperate for three point shooters with the 6 other guys we have now that can hit from deep that the offense will cave in if Bonner's not out there?

Most importantly:

Are we a better defensive team with Bonner or Splitter on the floor?

I say Splitter, and I say it's not even freaking close. That doesn't mean Bonner doesn't have some value to the team, he's a great shooter. But if he can't get rebounds on most nights to save his life, how can we possibly justify having him on the floor instead of Tiago? What other advantage does Bonner give us besides another player to shoot 3s?

[jjktkk]

When Pop apologizes again about not playing Splitter in the playoffs till we were down 3-1 to the Lakers, what will the appropriate response for a Pop apologist be?

So you already predict what will happen in the playoffs this year huh? Judging by your post, it sounds like you want the Spurs to lose, so you can jump on your soap box and rant and rave about what a bad coach Pop is.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Folks, this is not so cut and dried. Bonner and Splitter (and Blair and McDyess) all bring different things to the table. Bonner is truly a game changer with his deadly 3 point shooting and that is his value. When he gets the ball up top or on the wing, the defense has to react or he's going to drop 3s on them all night. That opens things up for other people.

He is a below average defender but he puts in the effort and works at it. He executes the basics of the Spurs defensive system pretty well. But his one-on-one post defense isn't so great. Athletic bigs can easily get a shot off against him. However he's not bad as a rebounder.

Zach Randolph is a pretty high bar when it comes to playing defense. He is a beast around the basket.

[BackHome]

This is what I said all along. Put a stronger big on him and push Splitter away from the basket and he is worthless. He won't matchup with LA or Dallas bigs and counting on him to bail the spurs frontline out against those teams is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Keep that wisfhul thinking thyme going and tell us who should be getting his minutes and who will help us beat LA and Dallas...Bonner/Blair?

[TJastal]

Seeing how your predictions have gone in the past, it's probably safe to continue calling them playoff teams.

It's probably also safe to say you haven't seen a hornets game recently.

You consider Udoka a good addition to the Spurs. Sorry you do.

Another classic strawman from the 'dumper. Too bad your straw is dry and I'm packin' some heat today.

I said his playing time will continue to fluctuate for the reasons that have already been explained several times but you are too stupid to understand.

Believe it or not, some people might actually take the stance argument that fluctuating minutes makes it tougher for a player to get his game in sync, and his body in shape. I might argue that Pop is putting him at more risk of injury with this type of regimen. Put that in your crabby pipe and smoke it.

I said he is playing more important minutes than the garbage time you were begging for and that his minutes will continue to fluctuate and that you will about it because you have an agenda. The agenda will also make you preen about like a dandy fop when the Spurs next lose without playing Splitter.

Poor Chump. All you got left to cling to now is your quack theory that Splitter is suddenly getting "important" minutes. Well I hate to debunk yet another one but just looking at December, spurs have played 3 decent playoff bound teams in ATL, MIL, & PORT (4 if you count Denver, and no were not going to call NOH a playoff team lol) and Splitter got 1,4,4,21 minutes in those games. Debunked again. You really need to make this at least challenging for me.

I will be happy to be wrong about your happily posting "I told you so"s in that instance, but I don't think you will be able to help yourself. Feel free to prove me wrong when the time comes. I won't get upset about being wrong like you are now.

LOL like I said never a dull day. Even though it's you who has been sidestepping all my attempts at cornering you, I'm apparently upset or something now because of my wrongness.

[BackHome]

Man the Spurs have the best record in the leauge and we still at each other...Gotta love the human race...lol

[ChumpDumper]

It's probably also safe to say you haven't seen a hornets game recently.

Sure. Slumps happen. You are predicting a late season loss for each game the Spurs don't play Splitter enough. At that rate, they won't be a playoff team either.

Another classic strawman from the 'dumper. Too bad your straw is dry and I'm packin' some heat today.

No, it's another example of your rather hilariously flawed thinking. You should look up the definition of straw man, btw. You're wrong about that as well.

Believe it or not, some people might actually take the stance argument that fluctuating minutes makes it tougher for a player to get his game in sync, and his body in shape. I might argue that Pop is putting him at more risk of injury with this type of regimen. Put that in your crabby pipe and smoke it.

Some people?

Who?

People on message boards who think Udoka is a good addition and garbage time is more valuable that rotation time?

Poor Chump. All you got left to cling to now is your quack theory that Splitter is suddenly getting "important" minutes.

He played important minutes last night.

That is no theory.

Are you saying he didn't play important minutes last night?

Yes or no.

Your theory is he never plays important minutes and never will. You are wrong and upset about it.

[polandprzem]

What other advantage does Bonner give us besides another player to shoot 3s?

He is a 'big' shooting a three and that's quite a difference

[ChumpDumper]

He is a 'big' shooting a three and that's quite a difference

Lies!

[polandprzem]

Nies!

It should be NICE

[Mugen]

So you already predict what will happen in the playoffs this year huh? Judging by your post, it sounds like you want the Spurs to lose, so you can jump on your soap box and rant and rave about what a bad coach Pop is.

Umm no, i dont want the spurs to lose.

I'd love to be wrong and actually have Pop give him meaningful mins when it actually counts (Playoffs), but going by Pop's recent history (George, Oberto)...first year players won't get much of a shot.

Pop is a great coach but his biggest weakness has always been trust in younger players.

I'm not ready to blow my load just because Pop gives Tiago 20 mins and he actually produces like many of us expect him to. Because I know when the games really matter, Bonner is going to be the one in at crunch time defending the Gasols and Nowitzkis.

[TJastal]

Sure. Slumps happen. You are predicting a late season loss for each game the Spurs don't play Splitter enough. At that rate, they won't be a playoff team either.

Don't honstly remember the tongue in cheek comment that I made. I believe it was every DNP. Don't really feel like wasting 10 minutes of my life digging it up, either.

People on message boards who think Udoka is a good addition and garbage time is more valuable that rotation time?

Who ing cares, I always maintained Udoka was a stop gap till Anderson came back. You act like I hyped him up as the next Bruce Bowen, which is patently false. I still say there could be a use for him in a situation that calls for some "extracurricular activity", however.

He played important minutes last night.

That is no theory.

Are you saying he didn't play important minutes last night?

Yes or no.

Your theory is he never plays important minutes and never will. You are wrong and upset about it.

One game against a team that will be scratching and clawing for a bottom seed without their top player. Damn it doesn't get any more important than that I tell ya... And speaking of all these important minutes, might I say that's just what a guy who is learning the ropes of the nba needs in order to become a more importanter player. /sarcasm off

[jjktkk]

Because I know when the games really matter, Bonner is going to be the one in at crunch time defending the Gasols and Nowitzkis.

Are you making up, because your still pissed that Pop didn't play Hill in the playoffs two years ago? Because I've never seen Bonner guarding Gasol in crunchtime of a game. And in last years playoffs against Dallas, McDyess was the one guarding Dirk in crunchtime.

[TVI]

What other advantage does Bonner give us besides another player to shoot 3s?

The advantage of a player who makes those 3s at a 52.4% clip?

Seriously—Splitter seems to be okay with it, he's getting a lot of instruction from the coaching staff, the wins are piling up, and I think Pop's doing the right thing by bringing him along slowly. The dude had a busy summer, and he's just not ready for big time minutes yet. When he is, he'll get them. The nice thing is, the Spurs have options, and small ball or "the big 4 who spreads the floor" are working right now (most of the time).

Have a little faith. Pop didn't just fall off the turnip truck—he knows what he's doing. Splitter will earn more burn if he keeps producing like he did last night, and the staff is comfortable that he knows what to do on the floor.

I liken this as the anti-RJ situation. RJ wasn't ready to step into a big role last year, and it showed. This year, he knows what his role is, and he's fitting in so much better.

Patience.

[Mugen]

Are you making up, because your still pissed that Pop didn't play Hill in the playoffs two years ago? Because I've never seen Bonner guarding Gasol in crunchtime of a game. And in last years playoffs against Dallas, McDyess was the one guarding Dirk in crunchtime.

lol i didnt see your avatar. I shoulda known.

Dice did a great job on Dirk last year but dirk still put up numbers and i dont think Dice has the length to both Gasol in the post.

But Tiago will be key in neutralizing the Lakers' length.

I just fear that Pop will go with the big rotation of TD, Dice, and Bonner.

[JustinJDW]

Yeah, people seem to think we have a big problem and are in the middle of some type of crisis, but really, we are in a fantastic position. We are 25-3, almost everyone is playing good ball, including benchwarmers like Quinn, are offense is clicking on all cyclinders, Splitter is coming a long slowly, Duncan and Dice's minutes are being well managed, and we got Hill and Anderson coming back soon to get us some serious depth.

Don't know what the people are panicking about. Splitter will get his minutes, and he will come a long slowly, just like Pop said, but Bonner's minutes shouldn't be affected. Bonner is just the scapegoat for all you people, when in reality, he is a very valuable player to our system. Best 3-point shooter on our team, and like someone else said, can be literally a game changer at times. I love Bonner. He provides offense when we are going through a slump, like late in the 3rd quarter last night when we couldn't make . Pop put in Bonner to help in the 4th, and the next thing you know, we spread the floor and start knocking down 3's.

The reality here is that most coaches would love to have the bigs and specialized talents that the Spurs and the Spurs Bigs have. Bonner for 3-point shooting and spreading the floor, Blair for toughness and rebounding, and Splitter for defense and poise. Then we got Dice and Timmy who pretty much have all those talents of rebounding, defense and mid-range jumpers.

Don't worry about minutes, because Pop is one of the best coaches ever, and he know what the he is doing with his players. We are just criticizing everything and anything that is different or can be criticized, because we are all slightly insecure and scared to loose to the Lakers to the Playoffs. And that's fine, because that's what fans do, but you guys gotta control yourself. Spurs are playing great right now.

Enjoy the show. But here are my minutes, until the Playoffs start, then it changes.

Duncan - 28
Splitter - 20
Dice - 20
Bonner - 14
Blair - 14

[smrattler]

Against most teams, we can get away with Blair starting and he can be effective too sometimes.

But to win the le, we need more than one guy capable of protecting the rim.

[jjktkk]

lol i didnt see your avatar. I shoulda known.

The avatar is a joke. I know Bonner is a liability defensively, and Pop has a tendency to overuse Bonner.

Dice did a great job on Dirk last year but dirk still put up numbers and i dont think Dice has the length to both Gasol in the post. But Tiago will be key in neutralizing the Lakers' length.

Dirk puts up numbers against anyone. And Gasol's length bothers Duncan and will bother Splitter as well.

I just fear that Pop will go with the big rotation of TD, Dice, and Bonner.

Your fears are justified, because all three will play ahead of Splitter. The hope is that Splitter will be able to play and be effective against the Lakers frontline. But McDyess, and to a lesser degree, Bonner, will have to play well for the Spurs to beat the Lakers. Would you agree that even if Splitter evolves into a solid rotation player this year, the Laker's frontline would still be considered better than the Spurs frontline?