Malik Rose commenting on Manu's "European" skills

[Man In Black]

Manu has stated that he learned that move not from Bodiroga but from Predrag Danilovic with whom he played for Kinder Bologna. IIRC Danilovic was the starting SG when Manu arrived, but he abruptly retired shortly after, forcing his coach (Ettore Messina, perhaps the toughest euro coach) to give that spot to a promising but still raw Manu.

Saludos.

Sasha Danilovic played in the NBA for a short time with the Heat & Mavs. A short 60 game career over 3 seasons, I could remember a time where did that move. The game itself was vague, but the move was memorable.

Americans may remember God Shamgodd if Providence University or the Wizards, doing the same move. Some call it the Shamgodd dribble but it's the same move although the cadence is different. Since God hardly played in the L, we never really got to see him do it.

[Man In Black]

FYI for the purposes of using the US Census standards. For light skinned Latinos, the US classifies you as White. For the NBA that would be Manu, The Gasol Brothers, Tiago Splitter, and Rudy Fernandez. Leandrinho Barbosa, would be classified as Black and so would Nene Hilario. Anderson Varejao...His classification would be White as well. But I could see why confusion would ensue here.

[sendman]

Probably more grecians than Galis.

Except Rasho and Peja never lived there as kids.
This Greek cheaters are prepared to lie about everything. About their countries history, debt, about giving away their citizenship with breaking their own laws.
Rasho, to get their citizenship, was forced to take some bogus name, so they can forge their passport.
That is how Rasho Nesterovic became Radoslav Makris and "had some bogus relatives" in some god forgotten village in Greek mountains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radoslav_Nesterovi%C4%87

The same goes for Peja Stojakovic.

Greeks are nothing but goat mounting frauds.

[Man In Black]

Not my terminology M_F. It's the US Census Bureau's. The proverbial White Of Hispanic Descent. Us Asians didn't like being called Oriental either.

[dunkman]

Manu has stated that he learned that move not from Bodiroga but from Predrag Danilovic with whom he played for Kinder Bologna. IIRC Danilovic was the starting SG when Manu arrived, but he abruptly retired shortly after, forcing his coach (Ettore Messina, perhaps the toughest euro coach) to give that spot to a promising but still raw Manu.

Saludos.

Danilovic was a great player, too bad he was often injured during his two seasons in the NBA.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Does he have a uniquely European crossover?

Yes, because he doesn't shave his pits...very French.

[temujin]

Manu has stated that he learned that move not from Bodiroga but from Predrag Danilovic with whom he played for Kinder Bologna. IIRC Danilovic was the starting SG when Manu arrived, but he abruptly retired shortly after, forcing his coach (Ettore Messina, perhaps the toughest euro coach) to give that spot to a promising but still raw Manu.

Saludos.

Ginobili and Danilovic -unfortunately- never played together.
They PRACTICED two times.
After which Danilovic quit.
Inexplicably.

Rumors in Bologna has it that two practices was all it took to the Ultimate Serbian Warrior to recognize his Heir in the young Argie.
It could not be HIS team anymore, it would be Manu's.

Voivodas don't become servants, they step down and watch.

"Watch this new Argie guy we have, it looks like Sasha quit because of him."
Quote.
I sure did watch and never stopped.

[temujin]

Except Rasho and Peja never lived there as kids.
This Greek cheaters are prepared to lie about everything. About their countries history, debt, about giving away their citizenship with breaking their own laws.
Rasho, to get their citizenship, was forced to take some bogus name, so they can forge their passport.
That is how Rasho Nesterovic became Radoslav Makris and "had some bogus relatives" in some god forgotten village in Greek mountains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radoslav_Nesterovi%C4%87

The same goes for Peja Stojakovic.

Greeks are nothing but goat mounting frauds.

I have three comments.

1) I tend to agree Greeks are frauds. The one we have on this board is certainly the more greek of the greeks in that sense.

2) It takes two to fraud in this case: you still have to SIGN the false passport.

3) Take a look at this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sc...sual.html?_r=1

Quite a bit of overlap between Makrises and Nesterovics, isn't it?

[ploto]

It takes two to fraud in this case: you still have to SIGN the false passport.

Not to defend it, but Rasho was all of about 16 years old when this happened, and it really was a common practice at the time for Greek teams to offer players, especially those from warring Yugoslavia, the opportunity to go to Greece and play if they would take a Greek name.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Manu himself has taught it as his Euro-Step move.

Now that's some "European" skill there!

[Solid D]

Manu has stated that he learned that move not from Bodiroga but from Predrag Danilovic with whom he played for Kinder Bologna. IIRC Danilovic was the starting SG when Manu arrived, but he abruptly retired shortly after, forcing his coach (Ettore Messina, perhaps the toughest euro coach) to give that spot to a promising but still raw Manu.

Saludos.

Getting back to Malik Rose's comments during the broadcast, Malik twice referred to that cross-over dribble as "Manu using the Bodiroga European dribble move". Since Malik played with Manu, I'm sure Malik picked that term up somewhere along the line from Manu or someone with knowledge of the term. This is not to say specifically who Manu learned it from.

[ploto]

This is an improper way to state that. That makes it look like some dirty dealings in Greece for sports reasons.

The Greek teams gave them Greek citizenship so that they would count as Greek players. Everyone knows this happened-- ask Predrag Kinis or Marko Latsis.

[DMC]

Not my terminology M_F. It's the US Census Bureau's. The proverbial White Of Hispanic Descent. Us Asians didn't like being called Oriental either.

I've never called an Asian "Oriental". I dated a Vietnamese girl, called her "hoochie" and a Korean girl, called her "coochie".

[DMC]

This is an improper way to state that. That makes it look like some dirty dealings in Greece for sports reasons. That's not the truth, even if some idiots say it is.

In Greece ANY KID could come from old Yugoslavia to escape the wars. You did not have to be able to kick or dribble a ball to do so.

This is just some ridiculous political bull that some of these guys here are posting.

Yeah, same for the DR... I mean, that pitcher WAS a kid.

[sendman]

2) It takes two to fraud in this case: you still have to SIGN the false passport.

3) Take a look at this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sc...sual.html?_r=1

Quite a bit of overlap between Makrises and Nesterovics, isn't it?

2) I agree completely and whoever made Rasho do this shoud be prosecuted. Even Rasho, if he was over 21 at that moment.
3)Everybody can draw circles. If you would know the area you would know that this circles can be drawn as you like.

If Greek intentions were so pure as some of you are claiming, I have a question for you.
Why were all this athletes forced to take some bogus names? And don't tell that easier pronunciation is the reason. No! Finding them false relatives was just the QUICKEST way to get them passports that allowed Greek teams to sign an extra foreign players within the rules at that moment.

And that is ONLY TRUTH about that and you can lie about it all you want.

Now, with different rules in Eurobasketball suddenly there is no more Makrises - Nesterovics. How come?

FRAUDS!

[temujin]

This is an improper way to state that. That makes it look like some dirty dealings in Greece for sports reasons. That's not the truth, even if some idiots say it is.

In Greece ANY KID could come from old Yugoslavia to escape the wars. You did not have to be able to kick or dribble a ball to do so.

This is just some ridiculous political bull that some of these guys here are posting.

Not for sports reasons.
In general.
Starting from blatantly cheating on balance books.

[temujin]

2) I agree completely and whoever made Rasho do this shoud be prosecuted. Even Rasho, if he was over 21 at that moment.
3)Everybody can draw circles. If you would know the area you would know that this circles can be drawn as you like.

If Greek intentions were so pure as some of you are claiming, I have a question for you.
Why were all this athletes forced to take some bogus names? And don't tell that easier pronunciation is the reason. No! Finding them false relatives was just the QUICKEST way to get them passports that allowed Greek teams to sign an extra foreign players within the rules at that moment.

And that is ONLY TRUTH about that and you can lie about it all you want.

Now, with different rules in Eurobasketball suddenly there is no more Makrises - Nesterovics. How come?

FRAUDS!

3) No, not everybody can draw these circles. These circles were drawn after some very serious testing. I was surprised myself. I would have thought that the Greeks more overlapped with Turks than anybody.

2) I am not claiming at all that the Greek intentions were candid. They were giving away passports to anybody and that's a fraud.

[temujin]

This is an improper way to state that. That makes it look like some dirty dealings in Greece for sports reasons. That's not the truth, even if some idiots say it is.

In Greece ANY KID could come from old Yugoslavia to escape the wars. You did not have to be able to kick or dribble a ball to do so.

This is just some ridiculous political bull that some of these guys here are posting.

Nesterovic is Slovenian.
The "war" in Slovenia lasted about 3/4 days, the time for the Yugoslav army (translate Serbs) to pack and move south.

I have been through forums for quite some time, and I have never ever seen a poster like you, that has this innate passion for being WRONG all the time,
this TALENT to write bull in every single frigging post.

Congratulations.