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tbh, if Kobe doesn't coattail Superstars like Shaq or Gasol, he would be another T-Mac right now...
You aren't worth responding to with posts like this. Yeah. Kobe has always got the short shaft on having quality teammates.
tbh, if Kobe doesn't coattail Superstars like Shaq or Gasol, he would be another T-Mac right now...
You aren't worth responding to with posts like this. Yeah. Kobe has always got the short shaft on having quality teammates.
Kobe has good teammates.
But the point I made was that none are Hall of Fame caliber. If you'd like to dispute that point, feel free, the mic is all yours Cry_Baby.
The Celtics currently have several Hall of Famers. The Heat appear to have 2 maybe 3 right now as well.
Again, if we look at this from a historical perspective not the typical short-sighted bitter Spurs fanboy perspective, this is the logical conclusion to be derived.
Time for logical dismantling of El ...your argument feels like pussy...if Shaq was truly the lone star then how in Hades is it possible for a coat-tailer to run him out of his own city and arena. How does that happen el ?
A coat-tail rider like Kobe not only runs the star player out of town he proceeds to become the league's consensus best player, wins an MVP of the league, leads his team to 3 straight NBA Finals, winning the last 2 including back to back Finals MVPs.
Yup, just like Pippen post-Jordan....
Only on Spurstalk does delusion of this nature exist.
So which of Kobe's starting teammates are overpaid? Gasol, Artest, Fisher, Odom/Bynum?
Noticed he placed Kobe above Pippen? Yet Pippen has more rings.
Also, I loved the "and counting" for Kobe... because championships are sure things, right?
Oh, and best part, asking everyone to recognize all he said as facts, because if not, we are not basketball fans, when he can't be called one neither.
Bynum for sure. Gasol and Fish slightly.
BTW, Shaq was the main star of the Lakers team on their three-peat. Of course, a Laker fan will tell you otherwise now, when back then they were all over Shaq's "greatness". Back then, Kobe was awesome too, ofc.
But, Shaq was the best player on his position. The best big.
People were already talking about him being one of the greatest ever. I'm sorry, I don't remember people saying that about Kobe back then. Sure, maybe now, but not then.
Why does your COOL starts with a K?
Are you a Klan member?
What people were "saying" is irrelevant. What was taking place on the floor is another story.
There is a reason why the 2001 Lakers were arguably the best playoff team in the modern era. Dominance in the post and the perimeter in conjunction.
That's what happened back then. I'm not making this up, right?
When you mention Shaq to someone now, they think of the Celtic's Shaq. Shaq, back in 1999-2003 was a freaking force of nature. Kobe was awesome, mind you. But I find it hilarious that someone is trying to convince us that Kobe was at an equal footing with Shaq back then.
Now he is bringing salary into the mix?
And the Knicks have had high salaries perennially. Why haven't they won? They are the largest market in all the land. They haven't won in over 35 years so don't hate on Kobe because he has team built around him that complements him well. Don't blame Kobe, blame the Lakers' front office - be it the Logo or the underrated Mitch MF'n "Kupcake"
I like your spin though. The first argument was that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq. Now Shaq's gone and now he is "coat tailing" Gasol? When Kobe (not Gasol) is the clear cut HOFer and alpha dog on the team? Man you cowtippers will stop at nothing to disregard what Kobe has done.
Respect Kobe, even if you hate him.
Now he is bringing salary into the mix?
And the Knicks have had high salaries perennially. Why haven't they won? They are the largest market in all the land. They haven't won in over 35 years so don't hate on Kobe because he has team built around him that complements him well. Don't blame Kobe, blame the Lakers' front office - be it the Logo or the underrated Mitch MF'n "Kupcake"
I like your spin though. The first argument was that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq. Now Shaq's gone and now he is "coat tailing" Gasol? When Kobe (not Gasol) is the clear cut HOFer and alpha dog on the team? Man you cowtippers will stop at nothing to disregard what Kobe has done.
Respect Kobe, even if you hate him.
Well his first error was his math.
The Lakers starting 5 salary is $66.5 Million not 70+
Next, you can't count Kobe's salary of 24.8M to that if we're talking about his "help" idiots.
Pau Gasol has a pretty good chance of making the Hall, if only for his international resume.
Phil Jackson will definitley be in the Hall, even though he's making it as a coach.
And from how Laker fans act right now, Bynum, being the best center ever despite his 10/7 average, has to make it.
EDIT: Celtics have HoF players, but Shaq is a million miles removed from his prime, Garnett is way past his prime, Pierce is slightly past, and only Rondo is in his prime, but his accomplishments so far is not putting him in the Hall.
As for the Heat, Wade is in, Lebron is in, but Bosh will not be able to make it, ever. He has proven that he is an all-star level talent on a horrible team, and a 3rd option on a good (maybe great) team. Unless you are on legendary great teams, like the 80's Celtics and Lakers and make obvious contributions to le runs, a 3rd option is not going to get you into the Hall.
Kobe is a great player, and an All-Time great.
That doesn't differentiate from the fact that the OP is stupid, and makes no sense.
explain then why he shot 37% and was 2 baskets away from getting swept when he had 3 HOF players next to him (more than Bird), against a team that had NONE?Now he is bringing salary into the mix?
And the Knicks have had high salaries perennially. Why haven't they won? They are the largest market in all the land. They haven't won in over 35 years so don't hate on Kobe because he has team built around him that complements him well. Don't blame Kobe, blame the Lakers' front office - be it the Logo or the underrated Mitch MF'n "Kupcake"
I like your spin though. The first argument was that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq. Now Shaq's gone and now he is "coat tailing" Gasol? When Kobe (not Gasol) is the clear cut HOFer and alpha dog on the team? Man you cowtippers will stop at nothing to disregard what Kobe has done.
Respect Kobe, even if you hate him.
the HOF tag is irrelevant if you dont consider what stage of their careers the players are in, and the opposition they faced
Time to refresh history2bs memory...
The only thing second-fiddle Bean ran out of town was his own chances of winning . Shaq moved on to Miami to win another 'ship, further cementing the realities of who was the real superstar.
Much like Pippen when MJ left to try out for baseball, he wasn't good enough to win it all without coattailing. The difference being that Pippen didn't whine like a , demand to be traded, threw his teammates under the bus, or missed the playoffs.
Second-fiddle Bean resurrected his career coattailing on another future HOF in Gasol. Then again, this thread is about stars who've 3-peated... second-fiddle Bean has not 3-peated being the star, thus, much like Pips, doesn't really qualifies.
A lot of people seem to forget that. Shaq couldn't be stopped. I don't mean it took three people, but that he could not be stopped. You just had to accept it and the hack-a-Shaq was born which was his Kryptonite. No other player that I know of has a defensive scheme designed just to stop them. There are plenty of great offensive players, but there's never, since Wilt, been that kind of presence in the paint and might never be again.
Were it not for Kobe being a ball hog, the Lakers might have won 4 straight. Dump it down low and you are almost guaranteed 2 and maybe even a trip to the line. The other bigs get into foul trouble and the game momentum favors the Lakers.
Shaq goes 53 - 84 for the series, Kobe? 43 -113.
Kobe was 4 -23 from 3.
Doesn't sound like MJ to me.
Then why do the bulk of you LAL Bandwagon ejaculates do just that when you talk about 99?
Why should your lameass opinion ever be considered? I mean , weren't you the one(you know you are) who said the Spurs are no longer contenders?
Some diatribe in which you laid out all these issues to which I add, were already addressed and now Spurs Fan is laughing hard at you and at your dumb stupidity.
I never taint your '99 ring. It's as legitimate as every other ring in NBA history.
I don't speak for anybody else. & as a rule I don't speak against my Lakers brethren. It's my religion.
LOL ROFL CROFL
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