That's true, but do you know how widespread that was? Something like 80% of Palestinians support bombers that blow up women and children. As far as I know, those Jewish terrorists were fringe groups, and I don't know how many mentally challenged people they put on buses to blow up women and children; I think a lot of their targets had some political/military affiliation. Doesn't mean it's o.k., but it's not as reprehensible either.
The Jews are God's chosen people and He gave them that land in an everlasting covenant. I know many of you on here don't believe - but all Bible prophecy centers around Israel. We are seeing the signs of the end times. God promised that the Jews would one day be a nation again and that promised was fulfilled in 1948.
The hatred between Jews and Arabs goes all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael - shows you what happens when you try to "help" God out.
Yeah, those terrorist groups were so on the fringe that one of their leaders became prime minister of Israel.
You're either for terrorism or against it -- or you can find your way to be an apologist for some when it suits your political views.
So, do you believe that a war in the mideast will signal the end times and Jesus' return to Earth?
What if we relocated "Palestinians" to Antarctica?
Which prime minister blew up women and children?
That would be Begin -- although to be fair, his group shot more women and children then they blew up. Shamir's group also carried out the shootings as well as bombings.
Does this change your opinion at all or would you like to move the goalposts?
keywords: Irgun and Stern Gang
Enjoy.
Why does God play favorites?God's chosen people
Liar.
That's not true.
LOL...
Spot on!
Wouldn't it be better if we did that to liberals?
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
"In 1944, with the end the war in sight, Irgun, now under the leadership of Menachem Begin , the future Prime Minister of Israel 1977-83, began to attack the British administration in Palestine, starting with bomb attacks on the immigration offices, tax offices and police stations. Because the war was not yet over these activities met with condemnation even from the Jewish Agency and Haganah, the main Jewish Defense Force, and the forerunner of the Israeli Army." [emphasis added]
"During December 1945, the focus of the Jewish attacks shifted to RAF airfields, police stations and armories."
About the King David Hotel bombing,
"Not all the 91 one people killed were members of the British Security Forces. There were 15 Jews among the dead, including women who had been working as secretaries in the building. The Irgun claimed that the British had been warned about the attack by telephone, but the warning was ignored."
One could argue that they were not actively targeting the women (and who knows if the claim of the warning was true or not), but even so that was a de able act on the part of Begin and the Irgun. I have no problem condemning it. They committed other murders as well and I can certainly condemn them for those, though at least their targets tended to be military in nature, and not random civilians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun#c...hmidtFCPRIOT-2
"Critics of the Irgun have seen it as a terrorist organization. It was legally classified as such by the new State of Israel in 1948."
I have no problem condemning them, especially for the King David bombing in 1946 which at best showed a callous disregard for innocent life as 'collateral damage.'
In the current situation, however, the Israelis try to limit civilian deaths among the Palestinians while trying to protect their people, while the Palestinians brainwash their children and take advantage of mentally challenged individuals to target innocent civilians. Israel is clearly in the right in this situation. Can you admit that?
I can condemn both, and no, Israel is not clearly in the right in the current situation.
It's all 1s and 0s with you folks, isn't it?
Because He's God and He can!
I wonder if he has a favorite beer too? which beer do you think is God's beer?
God's kind of a tbh.
So you see no difference in Israel's trying to limit civilian deaths among the Palestinians when responding to attacks by militants hiding amongst them
...and the Palestinians (with near 70-80% support of their people) using brainwashed adolescents and mentally challenged people to blow up buses full of women and children. Gotcha.
God seems to be an underachiever prone to anger; I'll have to go with High Life.
I see differences, but nothing that makes me want to give either side billions of dollars.
If you want to be led around on a leash by one side, that's your right.
We're not arguing about giving them billions.
Trying not to hurt civilians vs. trying to hurt civilians. That's pretty clear-cut. I never said every Israeli is as pure as the driven snow and every Palestinian is evil. You try so hard to see every side of an issue and every shade of gray that you end up missing the forest for the trees. Case in point, you observe that the Israelis try to spare innocent life while the Palestinians try to butcher as many innocents as possible, and your response is
Yeah, okay.
And we weren't talking about the current situation until you changed the subject.
And the simple fact is we are giving one side billions every year, apparently without one string attached.
that.
both sides.
This was my first quote in the thread, talking about present-day terrorism. It was relevant to the topic, because if Israel is 'removed' you are rewarding the Palestinians and punishing the Jews. If anything, the reverse should happen, as the Israelis are in the right and possess the land. Now you bring up giving Israel billions of dollars, because you no longer want to discuss or admit how sparing innocents > slaughtering innocents (that's 'too binary' for you).
those trying to butcher innocents, and those trying to spare them. Brilliant conclusion.
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