Well obviously you need athletes like that to make it such a good play.
By that logic, you could say Blake Griffin's dunks aren't that impressive because he has the athleticisim
I agree that Wilfork is number 2 as the leader of our defense. The only reason I put Mayo close in terms of "importance" is because once Wilfork is gone I think he'll be the next "leader". You never know, of course, but that's how it looks right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQXTCSwIw0
Duncan to Finley. Pass was more accurate than Wade's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0QFeQ4q-rQ
Manu to Tony. Pass requires more bball skill, as it's no hail mary lob.
(though it's shorter range, ofc, so I guess it evens outs, or whatever).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sKWskkEr4
Iverson to RIP. Not full court but a much better assist.
I also remember two more, one from Manu to Tim and Tim to Manu full court passes on the 2005 and/or 2007 champ DVD's (yes, i don't remember which one)
Hopefully you're right, they need more leadership to step up on defense, someone at linebacker and someone in the secondary. Mayo is the obvious guy who's bound to step up at linebacker. A year ago I woulda said Meriweather projects to be the eventual leader in the secondary but now I have no idea.
none of those compare to the Wade Lebron pass.
Those aren't alley oops you ing dumbass
That one is good, but not as good as the one where the ninja kid fights that evil demon and ends up killing him with that possessed sword.
And you word is better than mine, because...I've watched a ton of NBA games, played and watched years of AAU ball, years of high school basketball, and millions of pickup games at the rec and the Wade/Lebron play is the first full-court alley oop play I've ever seen in a game yet anime boy is trying to convince me his teams run it twice a game
I honestly believe you are full of bull, becasue those passes are not that rare. Or you just recently started watching basketball, or you truly believe this was the first full court assist in the game.
Oh, I said I tried them, not that I always got them right. And though I'm in a really good shape for my age and size, I've never made the basket, just the assist. But that's what you liked so much, right?
As obviously it's not (YouTube/Google "Full Court"), you are clearly mistaken. Mind you, feel free to believe ESPN shiny.
serious question. do you even know what an alley oop is?
I was only trying to show the value of the assist, newbie.Those aren't alley oops you ing dumbass
I'm not taking what Lebron did as granted, nimrod. I'm merely stating the value of Wade's assist. And for the record, I like Wade much more than Lebron.
Meriweather is just too dumb, I think. I love the guy, but he makes one bonehead play every other game.
Mayo was in for I think over 95% of the defensive snaps this season. I'm hoping he'll be another Bruschi. (Heck, if he's even 80% of what we got out of Bruschi I'll be happy.)
True enough. Speaking of Griffin, I thought that 3/4 court oop pass from Foye was every bit as cool as this one. The pass wasn't as long, but it was in traffic and the dunk was better.
That first one would have been if LeBron was on the receiving end . . . or if was 1996. in' Finley . . .Those aren't alley oops you ing dumbass
Mind you, the play is awesome. Lebron surely makes a great finish..
I question the value of the assist, nothing more.
BTW, I know I have one of Manu to Duncan, who finishes it with a oop.
But I can't find it in YouTube. I'm 99% sure is in the 2005 DVD, though (I remember TD does a finger gesture to the camera, pretty funny).
I'm surprised there are people downplaying how great of a pass it was. And of course LeBron deserves credit for making it an alley-oop. But the pass had to be within a couple feet of the rim from almost the full length of the court for LeBron to make it an alley-oop. If Wade makes the same pass, LeBron catches it, comes down with the ball, then goes up for a lay-up, it's not nearly as impressive. It's the fact Wade gave LeBron the opportunity to make it an alley-oop and the fact that LeBron actually completed it as an alley-oop that made the play so special.
Oh and lmaooooooooooooooooooooo at "we do them twice a game."
In the other thread, I said I have never seen anything like that ever watching basketball at any level. I've been watching basketball for over 25 years.
I did clarify one thing is try doing them, another complete them.
But we completed some sets.
It's anice point you make about Wade's importance in the play. But I think it's more with Lebron's timing his jump to make the alley-oop, than Wade's ball accuracy.
For example, let's say that I give you the ball, and tell you to try to do what Wade did (that is, throw the ball hard at the other end), how many times will you be able to put the ball where is needed to be in order for me to do an alley-oop? Sure, may take you a few times to feel the ball, and know the exact strengh you need to do so. But once you have it, your accuracy gets much better, and a "sizeable" percentage of your passes should be on mark.
From my part, I'm downplaying ESPN's set value on the play.
If you mean the play is truly the best, as BSPN says, then yeah, I'm doing it.
For the record, I'm only downplaying the pass if the critera is "Best pass of all-time", not if the criteria is "spectacular pass that may be the best of the season".
Try it 10 times, any of us on these messageboards would be lucky to do it once in those 10 tries to get it right where it needs to be at the right moment gauging LeBron's speed. It's not just putting it where it needs to be, but putting it where it needs to be and when it needs to be there. Consider Lebron is going pretty fast. Yes, his athleticism makes for a bigger margin of error, but the pass was still pretty much exactly where it had to be, bottom right corner of the backboard. And you're talking about basically a 90 foot pass.
You give me the ball and I take one step from the baseline at the other end of the court with someone streaking down the court at full speed or close to full speed, and I need to get it right exactly where it needs to be (right around the bottom right corner of the backboard) right when he jumps to get it? I don't think I can do it even once in 10 tries. And honestly, neither can you. That's me not knowing what type of athlete you are or anything like that. And that's me being a fairly decent athlete with good hand-eye coordination and enough arm strength to make the pass. I won't make that pass even once in 10 tries. Now give me 100 attempts, I probably will get it there a couple of times. But that's 100 attempts.
I differ.
The pass doesn't require much from Wade, requires much more from Lebron. Wade is only required to put the ball in the proximity of the hoop. I'm fairly confident, that if I'm given some time to try the ball, and do a few test runs to measure the strengh, I can lob the ball to the other hoop a decent amount of times (for the record, I'm in good shape, and even then I'd get tired fast).
It's Lebron that has to time his jump when the ball is close enough, to make the play spectacular. But, again, mind you, feel free to disgress.
You're only thinking about the arm strength and accuracy to make the pass. You're ignoring the timing required. LeBron is not a stationary object. Wade wasn't just throwing it at the backboard.
If you give me the basketball at one end of the court and give me 10 attempts to hit the backboard at the other end, I might be able to hit the backboard 6, 7, maybe even 8 times. Wade was making the pass to a moving LeBron. Ignoring the timing aspect of the pass is why you're not as impressed.
Wade could have made the same exact pass and be a half a second late with it and LeBron can't make the oop. Just a fraction of a second late, and LeBron would have to try to catch the basketball and bring it down and gather himself.
I think you're being pretty naive about the pass.
because any normal coach would flip if that happened. i doubt they even have a heat playbook.
So Jam, would you place it as best of all time?
LOL @ all the people thinking that Wade knew he was going to throw an alley oop, I could've made that pass with LBJ, all you have to do is throw it within the vicinity of the rim and he'll do the rest.
I believe Wade was only "instructed" (if it was trained play) to throw the ball near the hoop. Of course, he has to time when will Lebron reach the hoop, but the difficulty of such timing, if you know the speed you teammate is capable to do, is not as hard as you think. I believe it's here where we disagree. Fair enough.
I believe it is difficult, but compared to Lebron's timing on the jump, miniscule.
Again, I hate Lebron, and I'm getting tired of praising him.
your goal isnt to praise lebron here.
its to downplay the pass and try to convince everyone to suck the spurs s, since according to you, they throw full court alley-oops at least twice a game
LMAO
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