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    You've said this over and over for years, but never bother to make the case. There's a simple reason for that. It's impossible. If it wasn't, you would be able to show, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, how it could have been done. Pure BS.
    I made the case to get Wallace before he was traded. But you don't want to remeber that and select only what you want to remember.

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    I made the case to get Wallace before he was traded. But you don't want to remeber that and select only what you want to remember.
    Sure you did.

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    I sure did.

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    Rings is a team accomplishment. .


    I know its a team effort.That is why Ginobili is a better player today,cause he helps his team even on a bad shooting night..You are saying all this like if Carter is a great team player and has had just bad teams.

    He is just a guy that scores a lot and used to dunk spectacularly... aside from that he is not known for being a great team player...
    If he was such... Orlando would have thought about trading him...

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    Not on SpursTalk.

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    I know its a team effort.That is why Ginobili is a better player today,cause he helps his team even on a bad shooting night..You are saying all this like if Carter is a great team player and has had just bad teams.

    He is just a guy that scores a lot and used to dunk spectacularly... aside from that he is not known for being a great team player...
    If he was such... Orlando would have thought about trading him...
    Carter is nearing the end of his career now. His best days are behind him now.

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    I sure did. You want to remember only what you want to. wallace was traded 3 times. I wanted the spurs to get Wallace when he was first traded to Atlanta.

    It was well known Portland was shopping him. He was considered a bit of a malcontent and many here did not want him because of that. I guess you forgot all that also.

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    Segu and Rascal with their annual vagina monologues after the trade deadline.

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    Sequ and rascal...breaking out the fishing poles and reeling in the mother load.

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    what do you expect, It's sequ man

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    I sure did. You want to remember only what you want to. wallace was traded 3 times. I wanted the spurs to get Wallace when he was first traded to Atlanta.

    It was well known Portland was shopping him. He was considered a bit of a malcontent and many here did not want him because of that. I guess you forgot all that also.


    That trade was made in Feb, 2004 which was nearly a year before the username rascal was registered on SpursTalk. So, what username were you using when Wallace was traded from Portland to Atlanta?

    Better yet, just spell it out. Wallace's salary that year was 17M. What combination of players on the 03-04 Spurs did you propose that approximated 17M in salaries AND was comparable to the package sent to Portland by Atlanta? How hard could that be?

    Waiting.....

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    Sequ and rascal...breaking out the fishing poles and reeling in the mother load.
    How did you know.

    I'll be going fishing in Texas in 4 weeks, breaking out the poles and mailing them to my brother this week.

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    That trade was made in Feb, 2004 which was nearly a year before the username rascal was registered as SpursTalk. So, what username were you using when Wallace was traded from Portland to Atlanta?

    Better yet, just spell it out. Wallace's salary that year was 17M. What combination of players on the 03-04 Spurs did you propose that approximated 17M in salaries AND was comparable to the package sent to Portland by Atlanta? How hard could that be?

    Waiting.....
    When did this site get stated? I was on the other site Spursreport under rascal when Dusty was running it. This site came out of some type of dispute with that site. I was on this site about 3 or 4 months after it got started. I dont know about the dates. I also have far more posts then what is listed.

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    When did this site get stated? I was on the other site Spursreport under rascal when Dusty was running it. This site came out of some type of dispute with that site. I was on this site about 3 or 4 months after it got started. I dont know about the dates. I also have far more posts then what is listed.
    So, not on this site.

    Just lay out the trade. You have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

    What combination of Spurs from the 2003-04 team would have met the salary requirements AND have been comparable to the package sent by Atlanta?

    Waiting....

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    That trade was made in Feb, 2004 which was nearly a year before the username rascal was registered on SpursTalk. So, what username were you using when Wallace was traded from Portland to Atlanta?

    Better yet, just spell it out. Wallace's salary that year was 17M. What combination of players on the 03-04 Spurs did you propose that approximated 17M in salaries AND was comparable to the package sent to Portland by Atlanta? How hard could that be?

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    Its not my job to spell out a package but the spurs had enough srubs to put something together. I would have even added manu in a deal back then. Atlanta accepted a package of scrub players for Wallace. Boston was also involved in the trade.

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    So, not on this site.

    Just lay out the trade. You have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

    What combination of Spurs from the 2003-04 team would have met the salary requirements AND have been comparable to the package sent by Atlanta?

    Waiting....
    When did this site get started? The other site was the main site and this site was just a branch off of that site. I think of it all as the spurs site, many of the same posters were on both sites they just came over to this site when it got started.

    The bottom line is I did say the spurs should get Wallace.

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    Its not my job to spell out a package but the spurs had enough srubs to put something together. I would have even added manu in a deal back then. Atlanta accepted a package of scrub players for Wallace. Boston was also involved in the trade.


    You really don't know wtf you're talking about and this post proves it. A few posts back, you said you were talking about the trade from Portland to Atlanta. Now, you're talking about the trade from Atlanta from Detroit. Either way, the Spurs didn't have the pieces to match what Atlanta sent to Portland or what Detroit and Boston sent to Atlanta.

    If you're going to claim that the Spurs missed an opportunity either time Wallace was traded that season, you should be able to back it up. The only reason you don't is quite simple. You can't. It's not possible.

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    You really don't know wtf you're talking about and this post proves it. A few posts back, you said you were talking about the trade from Portland to Atlanta. Now, you're talking about the trade from Atlanta from Detroit. Either way, the Spurs didn't have the pieces to match what Atlanta sent to Portland or what Detroit and Boston sent to Atlanta.

    If you're going to claim that the Spurs missed an opportunity either time Wallace was traded that season, you should be able to back it up. The only reason you don't is quite simple. You can't. It's not possible.

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    Those two trades happened around the same time. So the spurs had two shots to land Wallace around the same time.

    The spurs showed no interest because Wallace was considered a bad locker room presence so it had nothing to do with not having the assets. the spurs were not interested.

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    wallace for manu in 04 would have given us the 2005 ship? hmm... i see. no, actually i don't.

    sequ upset again cuz spurs didn't get carter.

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    You really don't know wtf you're talking about and this post proves it. A few posts back, you said you were talking about the trade from Portland to Atlanta. Now, you're talking about the trade from Atlanta from Detroit. Either way, the Spurs didn't have the pieces to match what Atlanta sent to Portland or what Detroit and Boston sent to Atlanta.

    If you're going to claim that the Spurs missed an opportunity either time Wallace was traded that season, you should be able to back it up. The only reason you don't is quite simple. You can't. It's not possible.

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    Its very possible to put together a package at the time to land Wallace if the spurs wanted to. Just get the salaries to match and the deal is done. Atlanta accepted scrubs and Portland didn't get back much either.

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    Its very possible to put together a package at the time to land Wallace if the spurs wanted to. Just get the salaries to match and the deal is done. Atlanta accepted scrubs and Portland didn't get back much either.
    We would NOT win in 05 with Wallace instead of Manu. That year, it was ESSENTIAL that we had a second scorer (Parker wilted in the playoffs that year). Manu won us at least 3 games in that playoff run.

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    Those two trades happened around the same time. So the spurs had two shots to land Wallace around the same time.

    The spurs showed no interest because Wallace was considered a bad locker room presence so it had nothing to do with not having the assets. the spurs were not interested.


    I know the details of both trades. You're the one with faulty memory.

    You have asserted, many times in many threads, that the Spurs missed an opportunity to acquire Wallace before the trade deadline in 2004. That assertion is unsupportable and you know it. If it were supportable, you'd make your case and wouldn't be engaging in this pathetic misdirection.

    These trades are a matter of record, as are the salaries and contract statuses of all players involved.

    Make your case. What players on the 2003-04 Spurs met the salary requirements to acquire Wallace AND were comparable to what either Portland or Atlanta received for him?

    If the Spurs had such assets that year, it would be quite simple to lay out how the Spurs could have made a compe ive offer for Wallace. They didn't and you know that they didn't. You can't prove otherwise because it's not possible.

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    Its very possible to put together a package at the time to land Wallace if the spurs wanted to. Just get the salaries to match and the deal is done. Atlanta accepted scrubs and Portland didn't get back much either.
    Then do it.

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    one that can reach the finals and beat the pistons in a 7-game series, mind you.

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    You really don't know wtf you're talking about and this post proves it. A few posts back, you said you were talking about the trade from Portland to Atlanta. Now, you're talking about the trade from Atlanta from Detroit. Either way, the Spurs didn't have the pieces to match what Atlanta sent to Portland or what Detroit and Boston sent to Atlanta.

    If you're going to claim that the Spurs missed an opportunity either time Wallace was traded that season, you should be able to back it up. The only reason you don't is quite simple. You can't. It's not possible.

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    You joined in 2006 so you would not remember anything that I said at all about the R Wallace trades. So why make the claim that it is only hindsite and that I never mentioned that the spurs should get Wallace when you were not even here?

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