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  1. #51
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    A good example of when I would call a player a loser, would be Kobe Bryant's leading the 2004 Lakers and the 2008 Lakers.

    Both of those Finals, the Lakers were the favorites and were expected to win, they had all the pieces, and still failed. In fact, the 2004 Finals being one of the biggest upsets in NBA history and the 2008 Finals being one of the most embarrassing, most humiliating defeat in NBA Finals history. Losing by 39 points in an elimination game. I think it was even on the Lakers home floor?
    Game was in Boston first off. And yes, Kobe was part of those 2 losing teams and must be accountable for those losses. He has also WON 5 times. But no doubt, when you bring up "losers" in the NBA, Kobe would jump right to the top of the list. BRILLIANT!!!

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    The Lakers won 5 rings in spite of Kobe.

    Shaq carried them to the first 3. Great role players too. G-Money, Harper, etc..


    Then Kobe misses the playoffs as alpha dog, refuses to shoot to prove a point which causes his team to get bounced in an elimination game when they were up 3-1 in the series, demands a trade, gets arrested for rape, snitches on teammates, throws teammates under the bus (bynum) only to later use them as an excuse as to why they lost (2008), refuses to play for the team that drafted him

    yeah, i'd say the guy is a loser. the 2 rings don't phase me because the Lakers have double the payroll of almost everyone else in the NBA. That's called stacking the deck and it's fake "winning".

  3. #53
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    The Lakers won 5 rings in spite of Kobe.

    Shaq carried them to the first 3. Great role players too. G-Money, Harper, etc..


    Then Kobe misses the playoffs as alpha dog, refuses to shoot to prove a point which causes his team to get bounced in an elimination game when they were up 3-1 in the series, demands a trade, gets arrested for rape, snitches on teammates, throws teammates under the bus (bynum) only to later use them as an excuse as to why they lost (2008), refuses to play for the team that drafted him

    yeah, i'd say the guy is a loser. the 2 rings don't phase me because the Lakers have double the payroll of almost everyone else in the NBA. That's called stacking the deck and it's fake "winning".
    You seem bitter. He has 5 rings and was a key component to them all. Simple as that.

    Let me guess, you're one of those... "Kobe will never win one without Shaq" bafoons no?

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    Master debater The Refrigerator's Avatar
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    The Lakers won 5 rings in spite of Kobe.

    Shaq carried them to the first 3. Great role players too. G-Money, Harper, etc..


    Then Kobe misses the playoffs as alpha dog, refuses to shoot to prove a point which causes his team to get bounced in an elimination game when they were up 3-1 in the series, demands a trade, gets arrested for rape, snitches on teammates, throws teammates under the bus (bynum) only to later use them as an excuse as to why they lost (2008), refuses to play for the team that drafted him

    yeah, i'd say the guy is a loser. the 2 rings don't phase me because the Lakers have double the payroll of almost everyone else in the NBA. That's called stacking the deck and it's fake "winning".


    U mad?

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    just stating the facts.

    as for me and my team, I got 3 young guys in their mid 20's with the next 7-9 years of elite basketball to look forward to

    unlike your aging laker team.

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    just stating the facts.

    as for me and my team, I got 3 young guys in their mid 20's with the next 7-9 years of elite basketball to look forward to

    unlike your aging laker team.
    Ummmmm Wade is 29 and will be 30 in less than a year from now. 7-9 years? So Wade is going to be elite late into his 30's? Doubt it especially with his past injuries.

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    just stating the facts.

    as for me and my team, I got 3 young guys in their mid 20's with the next 7-9 years of elite basketball to look forward to

    unlike your aging laker team.
    Facts?

    The 2 rings don't phase me because the Lakers have double the payroll of almost everyone else in the NBA. That's called stacking the deck and it's fake "winning".

    Really? Almost everyone? Without looking, they maybe have double the payroll of MAYBE the bottom few but not much more. Try again...

    edit: well I thought I would look it up for kicks... so if you meant by "almost everyone" the last two teams on the list... then OK!

    Last edited by cobbler; 02-28-2011 at 07:11 PM.

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    Bibby is a loser. Always has been, always will be. He should fit right in with team that says they are on a 8+ championship and 72+ regular season tear and yet feel the need to make so many changes. Losers galore. One ref assisted championship amoung them.
    I can't help but at this bull when the refs practically ushered the Lakers to their 2002 championship at Bibby and the Kings' expense.

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    I can't help but at this bull when the refs practically ushered the Lakers to their 2002 championship at Bibby and the Kings' expense.
    I can certainly admit we got help. Are you denying the Heat did?

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    I can certainly admit we got help. Are you denying the Heat did?
    There's no evidence the Heat got any help.

    The Mavericks can't play defense back then. They certainly fouled Wade a ton.

    Those re ed "PHantom foul" videos were disproven.

    The most famous one :



    Dirk and Harris both pushing on Wade's back, while Harris even decides to foul Wade intentionally.
    Last edited by MiamiHeat; 02-28-2011 at 07:39 PM.

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    Ummmmm Wade is 29 and will be 30 in less than a year from now. 7-9 years? So Wade is going to be elite late into his 30's? Doubt it especially with his past injuries.
    Wade just turned 29

    but the Heat have LeBron and Bosh at 26 years old.

    The Heat will still be elite with LeBron and Bosh + replacements for Wade, don't you think?

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    Wade just turned 29

    but the Heat have LeBron and Bosh at 26 years old.

    The Heat will still be elite with LeBron and Bosh + replacements for Wade, don't you think?
    lol Bosh

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    Wade just turned 29

    but the Heat have LeBron and Bosh at 26 years old.

    The Heat will still be elite with LeBron and Bosh + replacements for Wade, don't you think?
    Whose to say LeBron will still be there? If you dont win in the next 2 years... he will be looking to fold the tent and bolt again. Maybe they will le that... "the panic".

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    I'm not a fan of Bibby, but good signing, he's a significant upgrade over Arroyo..he's one of the worst defenders in the NBA, he doesn't have an all-around game, but he can still shoot the ball and occasionally(against weak defenders) create off the dribble, no harm in signing him for the minimum..he also has experience from being a huge part of the 2002 le team, so the championship experience is there..
    Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 02-28-2011 at 11:33 PM.

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    and the 1997 NCAA championship team tbh

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    As much as I don't like the heat

    I would take the heat's future way over the lakers future

    I don't think heat will win a championship this year, but next year and the following year they should be in the finals, but no way I see them winning multiple championships.

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    bibby cant play defense or dribble much but he can shoot and thats about it

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    Troy Murphy now torn between Heat, Celtics; Bibby Miami bound http://dlvr.it/Hy6bS #PBT #NBA

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